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by Iridencia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:03 pm
by Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:04 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:13 pm
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yeah, on the wiki page, it says 25,000 reserves, and 250,000 total right under it. I just switched the lines without noticing it. I apologize for any confusion.
No problem. Also, I wonder how actually effective the National Guard would be as a fighting force. I don't imagine much.
by Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:17 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Sahansahiye Iran wrote:No problem. Also, I wonder how actually effective the National Guard would be as a fighting force. I don't imagine much.
During the Gulf War, they made pretty good account of themselves in the urban fighting with Saddam's army, but they were also supported by US artillery and aircraft in that battle, as well as some support from a Marine infantry division.
by North Arkana » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:25 pm
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:During the Gulf War, they made pretty good account of themselves in the urban fighting with Saddam's army, but they were also supported by US artillery and aircraft in that battle, as well as some support from a Marine infantry division.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just reading about Khafji and wondering how effective they would have been without the US-built and -manned observation posts, armor, air support, and ground troops. I mean, the Saudis only deployed 1 brigade to the battle. Compared to thousands of American troops.
by Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:36 pm
North Arkana wrote:Sahansahiye Iran wrote:That's exactly what I was thinking. I was just reading about Khafji and wondering how effective they would have been without the US-built and -manned observation posts, armor, air support, and ground troops. I mean, the Saudis only deployed 1 brigade to the battle. Compared to thousands of American troops.
A brigade is nominally something like 5000 men in total, actual combat personnel numbers vary, but aren't any more than half the total in many cases.
by North Arkana » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:48 pm
by Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:50 pm
by Shofercia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:02 pm
by Torrocca » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:03 pm
by Shofercia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:06 pm
by Khataiy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:08 pm
North Arkana wrote:The Saudis are so hilariously bad in the things that mean the difference between victory and defeat (initiative, training, dissemination of knowledge, etc) that an open war would result in a collapse of complex command structures. The technical skill to maintain their up-to-date systems just aren't there, and they'd have to begin fighting the only effective way Arab militaries have shown themselves to capable of fighting, in an asymmetric manner, but that'd also mean they surrender any hold on strategic locations.
by Torrocca » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:29 pm
by North Arkana » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:39 pm
Khataiy wrote:North Arkana wrote:The Saudis are so hilariously bad in the things that mean the difference between victory and defeat (initiative, training, dissemination of knowledge, etc) that an open war would result in a collapse of complex command structures. The technical skill to maintain their up-to-date systems just aren't there, and they'd have to begin fighting the only effective way Arab militaries have shown themselves to capable of fighting, in an asymmetric manner, but that'd also mean they surrender any hold on strategic locations.
Canada would fail miserably at invading Saudi Arabia and the population would wage a difficult guerilla war like in Iraq
by Militant Costco » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:07 pm
by Torrocca » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:15 pm
Militant Costco wrote:I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.
by Shofercia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:03 pm
by Shofercia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:05 pm
Militant Costco wrote:I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.
by Nocturnalis » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:15 pm
by Chan Island » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:28 pm
Militant Costco wrote:I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Khataiy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:37 pm
Chan Island wrote:Go Canada!Militant Costco wrote:I like how this thread went from "Gosh those Arabs need to improve their human rights and show compassion" and "Those dirty canucks should mind their own business" to a full-blown Canadian invasion of Saudi Arabia.
Which does bring up an interesting question- who would the US side with in this case? Because if with Canada, that would probably lose the US all of its alliances in the third world, but siding with Saudi would kill off both its credibility with the first world and as a defender of democracy?
by Frievolk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:39 pm
Khataiy wrote:Chan Island wrote:Go Canada!
Which does bring up an interesting question- who would the US side with in this case? Because if with Canada, that would probably lose the US all of its alliances in the third world, but siding with Saudi would kill off both its credibility with the first world and as a defender of democracy?
Saudi Arabia would be the only logical option
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by Khataiy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:40 pm
Frievolk wrote:Khataiy wrote:Saudi Arabia would be the only logical option
Not really. The 'logical' option would be doing what the British always did. Destroy the Arabs, put a different regime in charge, and get the oil wells 'leased' to you indefinitely. The smart option would be siding with Canada and doing that to all of the Middle East. The option America, at least under Trump, would most likely choose would be invading Canada. Because Trump is that dumb
by Frievolk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:44 pm
Khataiy wrote:Frievolk wrote:Not really. The 'logical' option would be doing what the British always did. Destroy the Arabs, put a different regime in charge, and get the oil wells 'leased' to you indefinitely. The smart option would be siding with Canada and doing that to all of the Middle East. The option America, at least under Trump, would most likely choose would be invading Canada. Because Trump is that dumb
No Trump would support the Saudis, he's on better terms with them than Canada and not to mention the fact Saudi Arabia is a major partner in the region.
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