Oh, so they weren't acting like dicks, they were acting like authoritarian dicks. Thanks for the clarification.
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by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:15 pm
by Telconi » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:33 pm
by Uxupox » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:45 pm
by US-SSR » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:09 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.
by Shofercia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Near suicidal? If they went through with it, they'd have NATO liberating their ass, and the rest of the World going "why, KSA, why?" It'd be 100% suicidal. Unlike kicking out the ambassador, that image was completely inappropriate, and I agree with Herp. If that's near suicidal, what does it take to be totally suicidal?
I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?
by The Alma Mater » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:14 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Near suicidal? If they went through with it, they'd have NATO liberating their ass, and the rest of the World going "why, KSA, why?" It'd be 100% suicidal. Unlike kicking out the ambassador, that image was completely inappropriate, and I agree with Herp. If that's near suicidal, what does it take to be totally suicidal?
I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?
by Thanatttynia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:15 pm
US-SSR wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.
DHARAMSHALA, MAY 24: The Canadian government has called on the Chinese leadership to immediately and unconditionally release Tibetan language rights activist Tashi Wangchuk, who was sentenced to five years in prison on May 22, 2018.
The Canadian Embassy in Beijing tweeted, “Mr Tashi Wangchuk, a Tibetan language advocate, was detained in January 2016 for peacefully raising concern about the lack of Tibetan-language education in Yushu County, and sentenced on May 22 2018 to five years in prison for inciting separatism. Canada calls on the Government of China to release Tashi Wangchuk immediately and unconditionally. Canada urges the Chinese government to uphold its own Constitution and laws, and to respect its international human rights obligations. Canada supports the February 2018 United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement, which condemns the detention of Mr Tashi Wangchuk as the criminalisation of linguistic and cultural rights advocacy,”
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40466
by Ism » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:31 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:US-SSR wrote:
DHARAMSHALA, MAY 24: The Canadian government has called on the Chinese leadership to immediately and unconditionally release Tibetan language rights activist Tashi Wangchuk, who was sentenced to five years in prison on May 22, 2018.
The Canadian Embassy in Beijing tweeted, “Mr Tashi Wangchuk, a Tibetan language advocate, was detained in January 2016 for peacefully raising concern about the lack of Tibetan-language education in Yushu County, and sentenced on May 22 2018 to five years in prison for inciting separatism. Canada calls on the Government of China to release Tashi Wangchuk immediately and unconditionally. Canada urges the Chinese government to uphold its own Constitution and laws, and to respect its international human rights obligations. Canada supports the February 2018 United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement, which condemns the detention of Mr Tashi Wangchuk as the criminalisation of linguistic and cultural rights advocacy,”
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40466
And did China freeze trade with Canada after that? Were there any ramifications in either country after this? If the answer to both these things is no, that was a pretty meaningless tweet, par for the course for western liberal democracies dealing with repressive regimes whilst trying to keep up the facade that they care about human rights.
by Thanatttynia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:37 pm
Ism wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:And did China freeze trade with Canada after that? Were there any ramifications in either country after this? If the answer to both these things is no, that was a pretty meaningless tweet, par for the course for western liberal democracies dealing with repressive regimes whilst trying to keep up the facade that they care about human rights.
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:37 pm
Shofercia wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I'm not sure but I do wonder, if this did happen, would America like to make the south part of Saudi Arabia the 51st state and we will take the north as the 11th province?
Probably, but I can assure you that the odds of that happening are below 0.00001%. Way below. Saudis may be oppressive, but you don't stay in power in the Middle East for that long if you're dumb, and carrying that out would be extremely dumb.
by Ism » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:56 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Ism wrote:
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're moving the goalposts.
What goalposts? I said that I doubted Canada would do this to a nation like China if there was a possibility of something like this happening. I don't see how Canada doing this to China and then something like this not happening disproves that. I'm sure that if there was a possibility Beijing would have froze trade with Canada after this, the Canadian government wouldn't have directed its embassy to call for the release of Wangchuk.
by Thanatttynia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:05 am
Ism wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:What goalposts? I said that I doubted Canada would do this to a nation like China if there was a possibility of something like this happening. I don't see how Canada doing this to China and then something like this not happening disproves that. I'm sure that if there was a possibility Beijing would have froze trade with Canada after this, the Canadian government wouldn't have directed its embassy to call for the release of Wangchuk.
You initially said you doubted Canada would do something that risks impacting trade with China, and moved the goalposts when that criteria was met.
Thanatttynia wrote:I'm all for an ethical foreign policy in which good relations and trade are dependent on all parties respecting human rights, but that's unfortunately not the world we live in, and I doubt the Canadian government would call for China, with whom they have a much higher level of trade, to release any of its detained activists if there was a possibility of something like this happening. That being said, the less countries scared of pissing off autocratic regimes like Saudi Arabia the better.
by Empire of Narnia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:55 am
by Frievolk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:04 am
... What.Empire of Narnia wrote:Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:17 am
Shofercia wrote:Genivaria wrote:Not familiar with any heart eating honestly but I'll grant that the FSA is at best grey.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22519770A video which appears to show a Syrian rebel taking a bite from the heart of a dead soldier has been widely condemned. US-based Human Rights Watch identified the rebel as Abu Sakkar, a well-known insurgent from the city of Homs, and said his actions were a war crime. The main Syrian opposition coalition said he would be put on trial. The video, which cannot be independently authenticated, seems to show him cutting out the heart.
"I swear to God we will eat your hearts and your livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog," the man says, referring to President Bashar al-Assad as he stands over the soldier's corpse. Abu Sakkar has appeared in videos firing rockets at Shia villages in Lebanon in April 2013 and posing with bodies of Hezbollah fighters
HRW said the attacks on the Shia villages appeared to be indiscriminate and a war crime. Human Rights Watch (HRW) says Abu Sakkar is the leader of a group called the Independent Omar al-Farouq Brigade, an offshoot of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) Al-Farouq Brigades.
He was not put on trial, (shocker,) but was killed in combat. As for who killed him - that depends on who you listen to, and what sources you read, but most confirmed that he's dead, and won't be chomping on any more hearts. Someone should've told him that winning hearts and minds wasn't meant to be taken literally, and it wasn't about dinner.
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:26 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.
by Empire of Narnia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:36 am
Agarntrop wrote:Empire of Narnia wrote:Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.
Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.
This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.
by Dogmeat » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:39 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Agarntrop wrote:
Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.
This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.
You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.
by Frievolk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:43 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Agarntrop wrote:
Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.
This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.
You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Empire of Narnia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:47 am
Frievolk wrote:Empire of Narnia wrote:You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.
I'm honestly hoping this is a crack account rather than a serious one. I don't put much hope in it, given this is NSG Summer we're talking about, but one can always hope.
by Frievolk » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:06 am
I'm not saying you just joined. I'm saying your posts and general form of opinion is something mostly seen in the NSG Summer (exceptions applied, ofc)
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:11 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:18 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Frievolk wrote:... What.
Narnia is...Narnia.
I don't agree with Narnia but Narnia is probably cool IRL.
Narnia is serious but has some...very disagreeable opinions.Empire of Narnia wrote:Prince Salman would do a far better job running Canada than Justin. Justin Trudeau should personally apologize to the Saudi people and government and then do the right thing for once and resign.
Anyone who kills gay people for being gay has no right running Canada.
Prince Salman should be thankful that we don't storm his country and turn it into the 11th province.
by Agarntrop » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:04 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Agarntrop wrote:
Lol I'm adding you to my foes list so I don't have to see stupid posts like that.
This makes more sense..
Justin Trudeu would do a far better job running Saudi Arabia than King Salman. King Salman should personally apologize to the Canadian people and government and then do the right thing for once and abdicate.
You just can't handle the truth so you shut out opinions that scare you. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful country that you could learn a lot from.
by Shofercia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:05 am
Agarntrop wrote:Shofercia wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22519770
He was not put on trial, (shocker,) but was killed in combat. As for who killed him - that depends on who you listen to, and what sources you read, but most confirmed that he's dead, and won't be chomping on any more hearts. Someone should've told him that winning hearts and minds wasn't meant to be taken literally, and it wasn't about dinner.
Maybe but that was just one incident.
But...
The Assad regime has-
Dropped chemical weapons on civilians in December 2012, March 2013 (twice), April 2013, August 2013, April 2014, August 2016, September 2016, December 2016, April 2017, February 2018 and April 2018.
Source- https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ ... s-Activity
Committed several genocides of the Kurdish population in the past.
And puts prisoners in dehumanizing, medival-like torture chambers.
Which is worse, 1 war crime by the FSA or thousands by Assad?
Indeed, there is an ugly side to the FSA that much of the Western media and its governmental supporters appear to be willfully neglecting. They are in essence turning a blind eye to many of the human rights violations and actions contrary to their own beliefs that the FSA is committing in order to support the ouster of Assad... In fact, of the approximately 23 million citizens in Syria, around eight million are minorities such as Christians, Druze, Alawites and Kurds, who are represented solely by the government. At least a third of the Syrian people support President Assad by default. Many others support him by virtue of alliances with his support base...
the FSA has been acting more like a force opposed to the citizens of Syria than a force intended to secure their freedom. For example, it has in the recent past stolen wheat reserves intended for the residents of Aleppo and sold it to private Turkish grain traders, expropriated stocks of pharmaceuticals and forcibly resold them back to its owners, and ransacked schools. These are hardly the actions of a ‘liberation force.’ In the outskirts of Aleppo, the FSA has implemented a Sharia law enforcement police force that is a replica of the Wahhabi police in Saudi Arabia — forcing ordinary citizens to abide by the Sharia code. This is being done in a secular country which has never known Sharia Law.
Lebanese newspapers such as Al-Akhbar and Assafir have broadcast a disturbing video of a 12-year-old child apparently forced by the FSA to cut off the head of a Syrian military officer. If such atrocities were more widely reported in the West, it seems unlikely that the FSA would enjoy such wide spread support. So, whether by intention or design, the Western media is also tacitly supporting FSA atrocities.
Syrian rebel groups backed by the U.S. and its allies "have committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, including abductions, torture and summary killings," according to Amnesty International. A report by the leading human rights organization details how extremist rebel groups have taken over large parts of major Syrian cities, in which they have created repressive theocratic regimes where critics are violently silenced and where religious and ethnic minority groups fear for their lives... U.S.-backed Syrian rebels committing war crimes, torture, abductions; imposing harsh Sharia law...
With a truce between the army and rebels in Syria close to unravelling, the list of abuses and potential war crimes on both sides appears to be growing longer... According to a recent report by Amnesty International, Syrian rebel groups may have actually used chemical weapons in Sheikh Maqsoud in early April, one in a series of "indiscriminate attacks that may account to war crimes."
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