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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Wysten » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Tule wrote:Abortion discussion continues here.



It's no more or less inherently military than any bolt-action hunting rifle manufactured in the last 100 years or so, virtually all of them are based on the Mauser.

That being said, you can't pull off 12 head shots in 15 seconds with a Remington 700, you can with an AR-15.


Also, did you know that the banana tree isn't actually a tree, but is in fact an extremely large herb?

I thought bannanas were a fungus?
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Postby Tule » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:42 pm

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Tule wrote:Abortion discussion continues here.



It's no more or less inherently military than any bolt-action hunting rifle manufactured in the last 100 years or so, virtually all of them are based on the Mauser.

That being said, you can't pull off 12 head shots in 15 seconds with a Remington 700, you can with an AR-15.

Do you have any idea how fast it is to use the lever?


Yeah, not fast enough to replicate what Martin Bryant did. The first 15 seconds of his rampage were sound recorded. There is no fucking way you can pull that off with a lever gun. Neither is it possible to pull off a Las Vegas shooting with a lever gun.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:43 pm

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Also, did you know that the banana tree isn't actually a tree, but is in fact an extremely large herb?

I thought bannanas were a fungus?


Nope, an herb, actually a type of berry plant. The banana is technically a berry, and the 'trunk' is just the leaf stems all bundled together.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:43 pm

Tule wrote:
Wysten wrote:Do you have any idea how fast it is to use the lever?


Yeah, not fast enough to replicate what Martin Bryant did. The first 15 seconds of his rampage were sound recorded. There is no fucking way you can pull that off with a lever gun.


Bryant was just a damn good shot tbh, for supposedly being retarded he could shoot better than most people I've ever met.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 pm

Tule wrote:
Wysten wrote:Do you have any idea how fast it is to use the lever?


Yeah, not fast enough to replicate what Martin Bryant did. The first 15 seconds of his rampage were sound recorded. There is no fucking way you can pull that off with a lever gun. Neither is it possible to pull off a Las Vegas shooting with a lever gun.


It's not possible to pull of a Nice ramming with a Radio Flyer wagon.
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Postby Wysten » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 pm

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Wysten wrote:Do you have any idea how fast it is to use the lever?


Yeah, not fast enough to replicate what Martin Bryant did. The first 15 seconds of his rampage were sound recorded. There is no fucking way you can pull that off with a lever gun. Neither is it possible to pull off a Las Vegas shooting with a lever gun.

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Postby Tule » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Wysten wrote:
Tule wrote:
Yeah, not fast enough to replicate what Martin Bryant did. The first 15 seconds of his rampage were sound recorded. There is no fucking way you can pull that off with a lever gun. Neither is it possible to pull off a Las Vegas shooting with a lever gun.

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Not even Jerry Miculek can fire 17 rounds of 5.56 from a lever gun in that time frame.

That being said, Australians were aware of this and banned pump-action firearms as well as semi auto firearms. Recently they were debating restricting restricted lever-action firearmstoo.

Say what you want about Australian gun laws, they were designed from the start to close any potential "loophole" before it could be found.
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Postby Wysten » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:58 pm

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Not even Jerry Miculek can fire 17 rounds of 5.56 from a lever gun in that time frame.

That being said, Australians were aware of this and banned pump-action firearms as well as semi auto firearms. Recently they were debating restricting lever-action firearmstoo.

Say what you want about Australian gun laws, they were designed from the start to close any potential "loophole" before it could be found.

Say what you want about the Germans but they sure do know to wipe an ethic group off the planet.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:00 pm

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Not even Jerry Miculek can fire 17 rounds of 5.56 from a lever gun in that time frame.

That being said, Australians were aware of this and banned pump-action firearms as well as semi auto firearms. Recently they were debating restricting restricted lever-action firearmstoo.

Say what you want about Australian gun laws, they were designed from the start to close any potential "loophole" before it could be found.


Ah, yes, because horrific abuses are better if they ensure complete coverage...
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Postby Tule » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:01 pm

Wysten wrote:
Tule wrote:
Not even Jerry Miculek can fire 17 rounds of 5.56 from a lever gun in that time frame.

That being said, Australians were aware of this and banned pump-action firearms as well as semi auto firearms. Recently they were debating restricting lever-action firearmstoo.

Say what you want about Australian gun laws, they were designed from the start to close any potential "loophole" before it could be found.

Say what you want about the Germans but they sure do know to wipe an ethic group off the planet.


Apparently, gun control = Hitler.

Every democracy on the planet other than some states in the US have managed to implement it without devolving into a genocidal rogue state.

The only AR-15's you can get here are Armi Jager .22 versions. I voted in an election last year and I shouted at the Prime Minister in 2016.

I feel pretty safe and free thank you very much
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Postby Wysten » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:02 pm

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Wysten wrote:Say what you want about the Germans but they sure do know to wipe an ethic group off the planet.


Apparently, gun control = Hitler.

Every democracy on the planet other than some states in the US have managed to implement it without devolving into a genocidal rogue state.

Good thing we are a Republic then.
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Postby Tule » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:07 pm

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Tule wrote:
Apparently, gun control = Hitler.

Every democracy on the planet other than some states in the US have managed to implement it without devolving into a genocidal rogue state.

Good thing we are a Republic then.


How clever.

Practically every damn country on earth calls itself a Republic and has a type of republican government. Free democracies and republics do not always overlap. Many monarchies are more free and democratic than many republics.

When most people refer to democracies they refer to Western liberal representative democracies. Japan, US, Britain, France, Germany etc.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:07 pm

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Wysten wrote:Say what you want about the Germans but they sure do know to wipe an ethic group off the planet.


Apparently, gun control = Hitler.

Every democracy on the planet other than some states in the US have managed to implement it without devolving into a genocidal rogue state.

The only AR-15's you can get here are Armi Jager .22 versions. I voted in an election last year and I shouted at the Prime Minister in 2016.

I feel pretty safe and free thank you very much


Well, no, gun control is a policy, Hitler was a person.

As for the rest, would you like a cookie?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:09 pm

Congratulations to Australia for making laws that are pretty good about taking guns away from ordinary law abiding citizens.

Have these laws had any major effect on their homicide rate? Because last time I checked the jury seamed pretty undecided about that, leaning towards no.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh shit fam. That Defense Distributed news is big.

I can't name names but I know someone in DD has plans for a working full auto M16 lower that can be 3D printed that they also want to release.


I agree it's a good win for DD. The whole ITAR thing is bullshit imo, it would be nice if parts or most of ITAR would be challenged in the supreme court on constitutional grounds in regards to actions against companies like DD, as we all know treaties cannot supersede enumerated constitutional rights.
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Tule wrote:I feel pretty safe and free thank you very much

So did the Russians.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Tule wrote:I feel pretty safe and free thank you very much

So did the Russians.


White people in Nazi Germany too.
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Spirit of Hope wrote:Congratulations to Australia for making laws that are pretty good about taking guns away from ordinary law abiding citizens.

Have these laws had any major effect on their homicide rate? Because last time I checked the jury seamed pretty undecided about that, leaning towards no.


They drastically cut down the number of Mass shootings and accelerated the decline in homicides.

To be clear, I do think the Australians went overboard. I would not implement gun control laws the same way they did.

That being said they are a very good case study that shows you can drastically reduce the number of mass shootings with gun control.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:13 pm

Tule wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Congratulations to Australia for making laws that are pretty good about taking guns away from ordinary law abiding citizens.

Have these laws had any major effect on their homicide rate? Because last time I checked the jury seamed pretty undecided about that, leaning towards no.


They drastically cut down the number of Mass shootings and accelerated the decline in homicides.

To be clear, I do think the Australians went overboard. I would not implement gun control laws the same way they did.

That being said they are a very good case study that shows you can drastically reduce the number of mass shootings with gun control.


Australia's NFA objectively did not do those things.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Tule wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Congratulations to Australia for making laws that are pretty good about taking guns away from ordinary law abiding citizens.

Have these laws had any major effect on their homicide rate? Because last time I checked the jury seamed pretty undecided about that, leaning towards no.


They drastically cut down the number of Mass shootings and accelerated the decline in homicides.

To be clear, I do think the Australians went overboard. I would not implement gun control laws the same way they did.

That being said they are a very good case study that shows you can drastically reduce the number of mass shootings with gun control.

Australia never had all that many mass shootings to begin with, and has been repeatedly noted mass shootings are extremely rare.

I have seen little evidence that shows their gun laws had a major impact on homicides, which have been decreasing in general for developed countries, including Australia and the US, both before and after they implemented their gun ban.

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So did the Russians.


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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
White people in Nazi Germany too.

White people of purely Germanic descent.


Yes, but of course.
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Postby Tule » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:32 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Tule wrote:
They drastically cut down the number of Mass shootings and accelerated the decline in homicides.

To be clear, I do think the Australians went overboard. I would not implement gun control laws the same way they did.

That being said they are a very good case study that shows you can drastically reduce the number of mass shootings with gun control.

Australia never had all that many mass shootings to begin with, and has been repeatedly noted mass shootings are extremely rare.

I have seen little evidence that shows their gun laws had a major impact on homicides, which have been decreasing in general for developed countries, including Australia and the US, both before and after they implemented their gun ban.


They were actually unnervingly common for such a small country, and it is highly unlikely that the change in mas shootings after the gun ban was a conicidence, even with the recent mass shooting in Australia this year.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Tule wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Australia never had all that many mass shootings to begin with, and has been repeatedly noted mass shootings are extremely rare.

I have seen little evidence that shows their gun laws had a major impact on homicides, which have been decreasing in general for developed countries, including Australia and the US, both before and after they implemented their gun ban.


They were actually unnervingly common for such a small country,

Any number greater than .000 is unnervingly common.
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