Geneviev wrote:I missed a week of the world cup and then I hear that Brasil isn't going to win.
What is happening this year?
Everyone has been knocked out except France, Belgium, Croatia and England. France and Belgium play each other next.
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by Chan Island » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:32 pm
Geneviev wrote:I missed a week of the world cup and then I hear that Brasil isn't going to win.
What is happening this year?
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Neu Leonstein » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:06 pm
Chan Island wrote:Everyone has been knocked out except France, Belgium, Croatia and England. France and Belgium play each other next.
by Sharania » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:16 am
This may well be the best of modern World Cups. It might also be “a well-organised charade whose roots go back to Berlin 1936”. That was not Boris Johnson putting his undiplomatic foot in it again but Garry Kasparov, the chess grandmaster and vehement anti-Putin campaigner who has been watching this World Cup, Russia’s progress and the broader wave of positive publicity with his head in his hands.
by Purpelia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:51 am
by Philjia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:19 am
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted how people can't keep politics out of anything, not even sports these days? What ever happened to the Olympic spirit of putting all politics aside for the sake of the sport? What ever happened to respecting those of us who want to be entertained and not have politics shoved in our faces? It's Putin this, Putin that. Can't we just talk about the actual sport?
And it's the same thing with all sports these days. And all fields of life. Everyone has a political message these days. Can't we just have our entertainment be entertainment and our politics be politics?
And maybe I am the only one in this. But every time I see an actor or sports person or anyone from the entertainment industry mouth off about politics I just change the channel in disgust even when the message is something I actually support on sheer principal.
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by Purpelia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:46 am
Philjia wrote:Running a well organised international sporting event is a good way for dodgy regimes to look good. It can't not be political.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:51 am
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted how people can't keep politics out of anything, not even sports these days?
by Bombadil » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:52 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted how people can't keep politics out of anything, not even sports these days?
Most of us are managing just fine.
We essentially ignore Sharania for the most part (which is easy enough since he's only interested in grandstanding rather than having a conversation), we forgive Shofercia his occasional handwringing defensiveness about Russia since he is Russian, and Pope Joan's recent tiresome little snit isn't worth getting worked up about.
Most of the time, the rest of us just talk about football.
by Nimzonia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:09 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:England actually scored a goal from open play for once, except of course it was a long high ball out of midfield which was headed in. English football is coming home indeed. I dislike their team less than I have disliked past England editions (though I am incredibly glad to be out of the country, so I'm avoiding the frenzy), but they are well and truly a one-trick pony.
by Bombadil » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:36 am
Nimzonia wrote:Neu Leonstein wrote:England actually scored a goal from open play for once, except of course it was a long high ball out of midfield which was headed in. English football is coming home indeed. I dislike their team less than I have disliked past England editions (though I am incredibly glad to be out of the country, so I'm avoiding the frenzy), but they are well and truly a one-trick pony.
I sure would hate to be from a country that scored fewer goals from open play than England at this world cup.
by Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:37 am
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted how people can't keep politics out of anything, not even sports these days? What ever happened to the Olympic spirit of putting all politics aside for the sake of the sport?
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:59 am
Nimzonia wrote:I sure would hate to be from a country that scored fewer goals from open play than England at this world cup.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:07 am
Nimzonia wrote:Neu Leonstein wrote:England actually scored a goal from open play for once, except of course it was a long high ball out of midfield which was headed in. English football is coming home indeed. I dislike their team less than I have disliked past England editions (though I am incredibly glad to be out of the country, so I'm avoiding the frenzy), but they are well and truly a one-trick pony.
I sure would hate to be from a country that scored fewer goals from open play than England at this world cup.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:09 am
Bombadil wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Most of us are managing just fine.
We essentially ignore Sharania for the most part (which is easy enough since he's only interested in grandstanding rather than having a conversation), we forgive Shofercia his occasional handwringing defensiveness about Russia since he is Russian, and Pope Joan's recent tiresome little snit isn't worth getting worked up about.
Most of the time, the rest of us just talk about football.
..much as we indulge kindly at Arch's occasional meanderings into the intricacies and political implications in Medieval England regarding the delicate offside rule in futte boll.
Not that there were much rules..
By some accounts, in some such events any means could be used to move the ball towards the goal, as long as it did not lead to manslaughter or murder.
by Starblaydia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:13 am
The Archregimancy wrote:You think you jest; but, as it happens, this takes place not too far from where I live:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Shr ... ourne_game
by Jerzylvania » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:07 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Bombadil wrote:
..much as we indulge kindly at Arch's occasional meanderings into the intricacies and political implications in Medieval England regarding the delicate offside rule in futte boll.
Not that there were much rules..
By some accounts, in some such events any means could be used to move the ball towards the goal, as long as it did not lead to manslaughter or murder.
You think you jest; but, as it happens, this takes place not too far from where I live:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Shr ... ourne_game
by Yaana Noore » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:57 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Nimzonia wrote:
I sure would hate to be from a country that scored fewer goals from open play than England at this world cup.
It's not an issue that's somehow unique to England this World Cup, though.
This article outlines the statistics at the conclusion of the group stage:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2 ... ike-never/
Two statistics do stick out there. 15 of the 32 teams scored 50% of their goals from set pieces, and while England were in the top three, they came behind Poland and Australia (neither free-scoring teams, admittedly). 43% of all first-round goals came from set pieces (v. 28% in 2014).
VAR (and the resulting significant increase in penalties) seems to have played a role, but it's not the only factor.
For better or for worse, England do seem to be unusually well prepared for set plays, but it's likely that this is at least as much a result of recognising how crucial they would prove to be this time around and preparing accordingly (believable given the current manager's meticulous approach to preparation) rather than a result of England setting some sort of footballing trend.
That said, if scoring from open play is the primary criterion for footballing support, then France and Belgium were the clear first round trendsetters out of the semifinalists.
by Unconquered Frontier » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:15 am
by Yaana Noore » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:17 am
Unconquered Frontier wrote:I'm a Celtic fan so football and politics are entwined with me. I think apolitical = status quo politics.
I'm really proud of what Alli's achieved in his life. From what I read he didn't have the best of starts and here he is at a world cup semi. I've only read the England team but they seem like a good bunch of lads.
For the record, if this was Gazza and Butcher I would not want them to win. But it isn't. I don't sing Rule Britannia but I find the Don't Take Me Home song funny.
I love that the top dogs here are England and France both of whom it would have been a surprise to be winners at the world cup at the start of the tournament. We might have another new winner (hopefully Belgium with Boyata playing) or we might have a second time winner but either way it won't be someone who's used to it.
by Shofercia » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:59 am
Sharania wrote:Well done, Croatia!
The Times: ‘If Putin gains credibility because of the World Cup, it will be bad for Russians’
Garry Kasparov, the vehement anti-Putin campaigner, tells Matt Dickinson that the World Cup has exposed how the president’s regime can turn the forces of racism and hooliganism on and off, like a tapThis may well be the best of modern World Cups. It might also be “a well-organised charade whose roots go back to Berlin 1936”. That was not Boris Johnson putting his undiplomatic foot in it again but Garry Kasparov, the chess grandmaster and vehement anti-Putin campaigner who has been watching this World Cup, Russia’s progress and the broader wave of positive publicity with his head in his hands.
Philjia wrote:Running a well organised international sporting event is a good way for dodgy regimes to look good. It can't not be political.
by The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:40 am
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted how people can't keep politics out of anything, not even sports these days? What ever happened to the Olympic spirit of putting all politics aside for the sake of the sport? What ever happened to respecting those of us who want to be entertained and not have politics shoved in our faces? It's Putin this, Putin that. Can't we just talk about the actual sport?
And it's the same thing with all sports these days. And all fields of life. Everyone has a political message these days. Can't we just have our entertainment be entertainment and our politics be politics?
And maybe I am the only one in this. But every time I see an actor or sports person or anyone from the entertainment industry mouth off about politics I just change the channel in disgust even when the message is something I actually support on sheer principal.
by The Archregimancy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:16 pm
The blAAtschApen wrote:These days? Sports and politics have been intertwined since at least 1936.
by Nioya » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:17 pm
by Blaneu » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:43 pm
by DesAnges » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:43 pm
Unconquered Frontier wrote:France both of whom it would have been a surprise to be winners at the world cup at the start of the tournament
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