And that is why the lack of any sort of actual objective centre point makes the terms pretty meaningless.
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by Vassenor » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:09 am
by Auzkhia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:12 am
Jong Un wrote:Ok let me expand I am writing this because of science. More specifically, anatomy and biology even agree: you're a boy, or you are a girl. You have a penis, or you have a vagina.
What I am getting at here is that a person cannot identify as something that does not exist. I attempted to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there half a bubble off plumb enough to think that they are something other than male or female.
The things that I stumbled upon was stupid I read these so-called genders and their definitions, and I think my IQ dropped. These are not "genders" because "genders" are physical.
These are conceptions of life, personalities, disorders, and afflictions. Oh yes, I'm aware that those are hurtful words, and this is a "mean" post. I'm sure I will be told more than once that I am 'wrong' and that gender is 'fluid' but it will have no effect on me, because I know I am correct.
Gender is not a matter of opinion; it's a scientific fact. Penis or vagina, vagina or penis? Pink or blue, not green, not purple.
by Luna Amore » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:45 am
Auzkhia wrote:Jong Un wrote:Ok let me expand I am writing this because of science. More specifically, anatomy and biology even agree: you're a boy, or you are a girl. You have a penis, or you have a vagina.
What I am getting at here is that a person cannot identify as something that does not exist. I attempted to wrap my head around the idea that there are people out there half a bubble off plumb enough to think that they are something other than male or female.
The things that I stumbled upon was stupid I read these so-called genders and their definitions, and I think my IQ dropped. These are not "genders" because "genders" are physical.
These are conceptions of life, personalities, disorders, and afflictions. Oh yes, I'm aware that those are hurtful words, and this is a "mean" post. I'm sure I will be told more than once that I am 'wrong' and that gender is 'fluid' but it will have no effect on me, because I know I am correct.
Gender is not a matter of opinion; it's a scientific fact. Penis or vagina, vagina or penis? Pink or blue, not green, not purple.
Why is penis male, and vulva female? Biological sex isn't just genitalia, see intersex.
Because some people decided it were. Some nations had a tradition of more than two genders, such as two spirit in many Native American and First Nation communities and Hijras in India. In those communities, they will disagree with you, because their cultures do not follow the western binary.
by New Greater Netherlands » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:53 am
Jong Un wrote:THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS...
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by New Greater Netherlands » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:54 am
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by Jelmatt » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:24 am
New Greater Netherlands wrote:Jong Un wrote:THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS...
Yeah, the bible says that yes, but a Transgender is someone who is a man but feels as a woman and wants to undergo a surgery and take hormone pills to become more feminine, and the other way round. It's not like a non-binary, genderfluid and stuff like that, that's a complete different thing
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:01 am
by New Greater Netherlands » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:26 am
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:35 pm
Boroglennya wrote:So, no right-wing LGBT here, eh?
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:38 pm
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:50 pm
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:51 pm
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:56 pm
Hediacrana wrote:New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Yeah, the bible says that yes
I'll leave the other claims from your post for others to dissect (some of that has already been done) but I would like to note that the Bible makes no such claim that I am aware of. There are many places where it talks about women and men, but nowhere does it say that those are the only possibilities.
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:59 pm
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:Hediacrana wrote:I'll leave the other claims from your post for others to dissect (some of that has already been done) but I would like to note that the Bible makes no such claim that I am aware of. There are many places where it talks about women and men, but nowhere does it say that those are the only possibilities.
Many believe that since God created only man and woman in the Bible, those are the only two genders. Plus, the idea that having a different gender then the one that was assigned at birth is saying “God does make mistakes” to some people.
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:01 pm
Hediacrana wrote:Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
Many believe that since God created only man and woman in the Bible, those are the only two genders. Plus, the idea that having a different gender then the one that was assigned at birth is saying “God does make mistakes” to some people.
I do not argue the point that many people have those opinions, but saying that that's simply what the Bible says is a different thing.
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:20 pm
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:Hediacrana wrote:
I do not argue the point that many people have those opinions, but saying that that's simply what the Bible says is a different thing.
I do believe that if one is to consider a Bible a Holy Book, the that person would have to come to the conclusion that there are only two genders and that the gender that is assigned at birth is the work of an infallible God.
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:26 pm
Hediacrana wrote:Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
I do believe that if one is to consider a Bible a Holy Book, the that person would have to come to the conclusion that there are only two genders and that the gender that is assigned at birth is the work of an infallible God.
There is no reason why one would have to reach that conclusion by necessity. I don't. And many other Christians, especially queer Christians, don't.
1. Considering the Bible as Holy does not imply the view that all of it is to be taken literally (and this point has been recognized since the early days of the church). 2. Even if one takes the Bible to be read only literally, it simply says no-where explicitly that there are *only* two genders. You have to make some interpretative moves before you arrive there.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:28 pm
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:57 pm
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:See, holding or looking to a book as holy, but don’t hold the view that it should NOT be taken literally is an oxymoron. I’m stating, based on my time in conservative and far-right Christianity(I also spend some time in progressive Christianity). Many Christians view the “fact” that God made Adam, a cisgender man, and Eve, a cisgender woman that is the only possible and vaild genders there are.
by The New California Republic » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:16 pm
Hediacrana wrote:Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:See, holding or looking to a book as holy, but don’t hold the view that it should NOT be taken literally is an oxymoron. I’m stating, based on my time in conservative and far-right Christianity(I also spend some time in progressive Christianity). Many Christians view the “fact” that God made Adam, a cisgender man, and Eve, a cisgender woman that is the only possible and vaild genders there are.
Sure, if you take 'holy' to be synonymous to 'to be taken literally in its entirety'. But there is no reason why one would have to see those two as synonymous. How many Bible-readers do you think believe that Jesus literally was a lamb?
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:23 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Hediacrana wrote:
Sure, if you take 'holy' to be synonymous to 'to be taken literally in its entirety'. But there is no reason why one would have to see those two as synonymous. How many Bible-readers do you think believe that Jesus literally was a lamb?
To be honest the non-literal metaphorical interpretation of the Bible as an excuse for the many strange things in it can only carry so far. I mean, what the hell does the "metaphor" about God creating Eve from one of Adam's ribs mean? Come to think of it, it means that Eve is actually a man in that case, as it implies that she is a clone of Adam, or at the very least used to be male. The metaphorical interpretation of the Bible just opens even more doors to absurdity.
by Vassenor » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:43 pm
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:55 pm
The New California Republic wrote:To be honest the non-literal metaphorical interpretation of the Bible as an excuse for the many strange things in it can only carry so far. I mean, what the hell does the "metaphor" about God creating Eve from one of Adam's ribs mean? Come to think of it, it means that Eve is actually a man in that case, as it implies that she is a clone of Adam, or at the very least used to be male. The metaphorical interpretation of the Bible just opens even more doors to absurdity.
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:This is my case, exactly. Plus, when I read the Bible and the Koran for that matter, it does not paint LGBT people in a positive light. I know there are Christian denominations that are LGBT supporting, but they are in the minority. In fact, Anglican Churches in Africa separated from the Anglican Communion due to the Episcopal Church supporting LGBT people.
by New Greater Netherlands » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:58 pm
Hediacrana wrote:New Greater Netherlands wrote:
Yeah, the bible says that yes
I'll leave the other claims from your post for others to dissect (some of that has already been done) but I would like to note that the Bible makes no such claim that I am aware of. There are many places where it talks about women and men, but nowhere does it say that those are the only possibilities.
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by Hediacrana » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:03 pm
New Greater Netherlands wrote:Hediacrana wrote:I'll leave the other claims from your post for others to dissect (some of that has already been done) but I would like to note that the Bible makes no such claim that I am aware of. There are many places where it talks about women and men, but nowhere does it say that those are the only possibilities.
Genesis 1:27:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
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