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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:52 am

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Ors Might wrote:What exactly do you take issue with? Can you give me quotes from the article because none of what I’ve read suggests that he thinks problems solve themselves magically.

Tfw we shouldn’t take scientists seriously when they’re explaining the science behind a specific phenomenon. Is that you Trump?

I don't need to give you quotes, I take issue with his entire notion of progress and society. He is a certifiable moron.

There is no science to it. There is only people.

If a moron is certifiable, bring the certificate and we'll see.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:19 am

Been known for years. The classic one with this is crime: there is less and less of it, yet people are more and more worried about being brutally murdered. And sadly, giving people the raw data just doesn't work.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:18 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Ors Might wrote:What exactly do you take issue with? Can you give me quotes from the article because none of what I’ve read suggests that he thinks problems solve themselves magically.

Tfw we shouldn’t take scientists seriously when they’re explaining the science behind a specific phenomenon. Is that you Trump?

I don't need to give you quotes, I take issue with his entire notion of progress and society. He is a certifiable moron.

There is no science to it. There is only people.

Petrolheadia wrote:After all, what could some damn scientist know?

Nothing outside their own field. You don't see me running my mouth and giving opinions on chemistry. These types would do well to stay in their lane as well.

So you’re bitching because of a philosophical disagreement about the nature of progress? Buddy, I don’t know how to tell you this but if you can’t actually dispute the science then you’re probably wrong on this. The man described a psychological phenomenon. You disagree with the data. Explain why.
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Postby Minoa » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:07 am

Philjia wrote:The human race: moving the goalposts since 500,000 BC.

No, I see it more like the intelligence of humanity being more sophisticated and myriad than one might think, but again I feel there are those who think we can do a lot better (such as social justice activists, which I feel is a lot more faithful term than SJW, the latter if I recall correctly, has been used derogatorily by some “OWNED” compilations on YouTube), which is perfectly understandable and I am not going to throw a temper tantrum on that.

It’s just that I’m no longer strong enough to take part in activism, given my friggin’ health. :p

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:31 am

Chan Island wrote:Been known for years. The classic one with this is crime: there is less and less of it, yet people are more and more worried about being brutally murdered. And sadly, giving people the raw data just doesn't work.

Reminds me of that Dara O'briain skit.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:10 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:This is why things like the War on Christmas exist.

Or "white genocide".
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:12 am

Iridencia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't see this being used to dismiss people's concerns categorically at all...


That's kind of my worry. I don't think these findings should be dismissed or demonized since overemphasizing a problem can be just as dangerous as ignoring it, but I can also see it being used to dismiss people with real concerns as "imagining things."

Scientific research of this sort will always be abused by the powerful, sadly.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:41 am

Ors Might wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:I don't need to give you quotes, I take issue with his entire notion of progress and society. He is a certifiable moron.

There is no science to it. There is only people.


Nothing outside their own field. You don't see me running my mouth and giving opinions on chemistry. These types would do well to stay in their lane as well.

So you’re bitching because of a philosophical disagreement about the nature of progress? Buddy, I don’t know how to tell you this but if you can’t actually dispute the science then you’re probably wrong on this. The man described a psychological phenomenon. You disagree with the data. Explain why.

I never said that. I disagree with the implicit normative conclusion.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:47 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Ors Might wrote:So you’re bitching because of a philosophical disagreement about the nature of progress? Buddy, I don’t know how to tell you this but if you can’t actually dispute the science then you’re probably wrong on this. The man described a psychological phenomenon. You disagree with the data. Explain why.

I never said that. I disagree with the implicit normative conclusion.

My mistake. Could you explain why? If you accept that people will broaden the definition if a problem even after its been mostly solved, surely its not too much of a leap to assume they’ll do this for even bigger problems? I understand the concern that very important issues will be downplayed but its just as vital that we don’t overplay them.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Iridencia wrote:
That's kind of my worry. I don't think these findings should be dismissed or demonized since overemphasizing a problem can be just as dangerous as ignoring it, but I can also see it being used to dismiss people with real concerns as "imagining things."

Scientific research of this sort will always be abused by the powerful, sadly.

Research like that will be abused by any group to their needs. Oppressing black people? "It's not a problem, they just want money." Oppressing a certain political view: "They just want more seats." Trying to start a dictatorship. "They just want to debase me."
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:53 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:This is why things like the War on Christmas exist.

To be honest, there should be a War on Christmas.

Trotskylvania wrote:There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border.
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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:54 am

The South Falls wrote:
Liriena wrote:Scientific research of this sort will always be abused by the powerful, sadly.

Research like that will be abused by any group to their needs. Oppressing black people? "It's not a problem, they just want money." Oppressing a certain political view: "They just want more seats." Trying to start a dictatorship. "They just want to debase me."

Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

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Postby Ors Might » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:55 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Research like that will be abused by any group to their needs. Oppressing black people? "It's not a problem, they just want money." Oppressing a certain political view: "They just want more seats." Trying to start a dictatorship. "They just want to debase me."

Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

That’s very debatable.
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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:58 am

Ors Might wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

That’s very debatable.

They have the same rights and if anything they are given special treatment by many institutions

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Postby Western-Ukraine » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:01 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That’s very debatable.

They have the same rights and if anything they are given special treatment by many institutions

Does it matter either way? It's not the point of the original argument.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:03 am

Ors Might wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

That’s very debatable.

Besides, "oppression" is a rough metric and is generally a matter of personal opinion.
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Postby Fascist Ultramarr » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:06 am

All these "social issues" are distractions so people don't question international finance and deal with the globalists and international financers and enact monetary reform and so on
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:09 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Research like that will be abused by any group to their needs. Oppressing black people? "It's not a problem, they just want money." Oppressing a certain political view: "They just want more seats." Trying to start a dictatorship. "They just want to debase me."

Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

I was making an example, not saying anything that was happening.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:10 am

Galloism wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:This is why things like the War on Christmas exist.

To be honest, there should be a War on Christmas.

Trotskylvania wrote:There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border.

Well, Black Friday's border was rebuffed by anti-consumerism. Anyway, Christmas has fifth-column spies in July.
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:52 am

Some people in Manhattan ignore the homeless who huddle over steam vents on the sidewalk, while espousing the cause of baby seals in Labrador.

They blame the bad health of the poor on the fact that they do not shop at Whole Foods (I saw this on a TV interview) but gleefully import wolves to rub shoulders with sheep ranchers in southwest Montana.

Hypocrites. If you want your voice to be taken seriously, deal first with the problems at your own doorstep
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:50 pm

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Research like that will be abused by any group to their needs. Oppressing black people? "It's not a problem, they just want money." Oppressing a certain political view: "They just want more seats." Trying to start a dictatorship. "They just want to debase me."

Black people aren't being oppressed in the west

My phone typing skills can't manage the amount of refuting information I want to hurl at you.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:59 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:All these "social issues" are distractions so people don't question international finance and deal with the globalists and international financers and enact monetary reform and so on

What do you mean by this? And do you have any proof?
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:20 am

Estanglia wrote:
Fascist Ultramarr wrote:All these "social issues" are distractions so people don't question international finance and deal with the globalists and international financers and enact monetary reform and so on

What do you mean by this? And do you have any proof?


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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:33 am

Fascist Ultramarr wrote:All these "social issues" are distractions so people don't question international finance and deal with the globalists and international financers and enact monetary reform and so on

I thought that was modern entertainment’s job.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:35 am

Pope Joan wrote:Some people in Manhattan ignore the homeless who huddle over steam vents on the sidewalk, while espousing the cause of baby seals in Labrador.

They blame the bad health of the poor on the fact that they do not shop at Whole Foods (I saw this on a TV interview) but gleefully import wolves to rub shoulders with sheep ranchers in southwest Montana.

Hypocrites. If you want your voice to be taken seriously, deal first with the problems at your own doorstep

To be fair plenty of wolves have been hoping across the border by themselves.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

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