An American Refugee Crisis: A Hypothetical Scenario

[San Marlindo]

Doesn't have to be if you're a law-abiding fellow. Apply for a visa or asylum once you reach a Polish port.

It is in principle illegal immigration, even if it isn't in law.

However, in the case of Poland, it is going to be illegal immigration in the case of both, they're not stupid and not a PC liberal pushover.

Ah, but it depends on who you are.

Show up there with a Polish surname, and while they won't be jumping through hoops to accommodate you, they'll intentionally smooth the process and your chances of being accepted for at least a temporary residence visa rise exponentially. Poland has a right of return policy similar to the one that Israel uses to accept returning Jews.

[Trumptonium1]

It is in principle illegal immigration, even if it isn't in law.

However, in the case of Poland, it is going to be illegal immigration in the case of both, they're not stupid and not a PC liberal pushover.

Ah, but it depends on who you are.

Show up there with a Polish surname, and while they won't be jumping through hoops to accommodate you, they'll intentionally smooth the process and your chances of being accepted for at least a temporary residence visa rise exponentially. Poland has a right of return policy similar to the one that Israel uses to accept returning Jews.

So about <1% of the US population.

Either way, the bolded only applies to Poles in former USSR who can prove they (/parents/grandparents) are ethnically Polish and were deported during 1939-1953 by Soviet authorities.

[Forund]

Credit Herp's post on the undesirability of a balkanized States of America for giving me the idea to work on this thread.

Anyway: Civil War talk is once again in the air, with liberals and conservatives on each others' throats over a host of topics, from immigration to same-sex marriage to guns to education to the economy to foreign relations to the very fundamentals of democracy as practiced in the United States. While I very much doubt that things will come to that bloody head (as another poster pointed out in the Civil War thread, the latter half of the '60s saw not only actual terrorist groups operating on US soil, but assassinations of such figures as MLK, Malcolm X, and Bobby Kennedy), I must admit the question of what would happen if it does interests me, if for less than beneficent reasons.

So, yes, you can probably figure out what I'm after here, but I'll spell it out anyway: in the event of war between militant factions of American liberals and conservatives, hundreds of thousands if not millions will flock towards the Canadian and Mexican borders, seeking asylum and whatnot. Probably hundreds, even thousands, will set sail for Cuba, the Bahamas, Hawaii and various US territories, everywhere as far as their money and navigational skills could take them.

So here are my questions:

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump's policies make you bad news by proxy?

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

And because these questions must have my answers:

1. I'm not a criminal.
2. "Some of them might be criminals, but let them die? Are you fucking nuts?"
3. Suicide by cop.

They should let in Americas but make sure they only let in enough so that americans cant displace their ethnic majority, like the UK can admit around 200,000 americans and thats it no more americans for the next 20 years to ensure the british ethnic group remains the majority.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Credit Herp's post on the undesirability of a balkanized States of America for giving me the idea to work on this thread.

Anyway: Civil War talk is once again in the air, with liberals and conservatives on each others' throats over a host of topics, from immigration to same-sex marriage to guns to education to the economy to foreign relations to the very fundamentals of democracy as practiced in the United States. While I very much doubt that things will come to that bloody head (as another poster pointed out in the Civil War thread, the latter half of the '60s saw not only actual terrorist groups operating on US soil, but assassinations of such figures as MLK, Malcolm X, and Bobby Kennedy), I must admit the question of what would happen if it does interests me, if for less than beneficent reasons.

So, yes, you can probably figure out what I'm after here, but I'll spell it out anyway: in the event of war between militant factions of American liberals and conservatives, hundreds of thousands if not millions will flock towards the Canadian and Mexican borders, seeking asylum and whatnot. Probably hundreds, even thousands, will set sail for Cuba, the Bahamas, Hawaii and various US territories, everywhere as far as their money and navigational skills could take them.

So here are my questions:

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump's policies make you bad news by proxy?

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

And because these questions must have my answers:

1. I'm not a criminal.
2. "Some of them might be criminals, but let them die? Are you fucking nuts?"
3. Suicide by cop.

They should let in Americas but make sure they only let in enough so that americans cant displace their ethnic majority, like the UK can admit around 200,000 americans and thats it no more americans for the next 20 years to ensure the british ethnic group remains the majority.

British people aren't an ethnicity.

[Forund]

They should let in Americas but make sure they only let in enough so that americans cant displace their ethnic majority, like the UK can admit around 200,000 americans and thats it no more americans for the next 20 years to ensure the british ethnic group remains the majority.

British people aren't an ethnicity.

Yes they are:
English
Welsh
Scot

Those are three dominant ethnic groups in the UK do not call them "just white people", their individual ethnicity is more important than some monolithic race.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

British people aren't an ethnicity.

Yes they are:
English
Welsh
Scot

Yeah, those are ethnicities. 'British' is a nationality.

do not call them "just white people"

I wasn't. No where in my post did I say that.

[Forund]

Yes they are:
English
Welsh
Scot

Yeah, those are ethnicities. 'British' is a nationality.

do not call them "just white people"

I wasn't. No where in my post did I say that.

I mean the real natives of the island of England not you immigrants.

[Aureumterra]

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump’s policies make you bad news by proxy?

They shouldn’t

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

I won't

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

Fight for the conservative American faction, (since they’re the ones with guns, while the other can't figure out which bathroom to use)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, those are ethnicities. 'British' is a nationality.

I wasn't. No where in my post did I say that.

I mean the real natives of the island of England not you immigrants.

>"You immigrants"
Bruv I don't live in England or anywhere in the UK.

[Risottia]

If I were an American, I'd head straight to Canada, and thence to Ireland. English-speaking, EU and CoE. Way safer than Canada (US too close) and Brexited Britain (special relationship might just mean immediate refoulement to America).

If I were the EU, I'd take in the Americans. Why not? Also, international conventions matter.

If I were an American and I were denied refugee status, I'd try to get some fake papers showing that an ancestor of mine was a German Jew who had to flee from the Nazis. That would get me German or maybe Israeli citizenship.

[Risottia]

Yeah, those are ethnicities. 'British' is a nationality.

I wasn't. No where in my post did I say that.

I mean the real natives of the island of England not you immigrants.

England isn't an island. It's a country in the island called Great Britain, like Scotland and Wales.

[The Serbian Empire]

If I were an American, I'd head straight to Canada, and thence to Ireland. English-speaking, EU and CoE. Way safer than Canada (US too close) and Brexited Britain (special relationship might just mean immediate refoulement to America).

If I were the EU, I'd take in the Americans. Why not? Also, international conventions matter.

If I were an American and I were denied refugee status, I'd try to get some fake papers showing that an ancestor of mine was a German Jew who had to flee from the Nazis. That would get me German or maybe Israeli citizenship.

While I think it's best to make it for Australia or New Zealand. About as far away as one can get from the US.

[The New California Republic]

I mean the real natives of the island of England not you immigrants.

England isn't an island.

[Forund]

You know what I dont care anymore.

Jews are behind diversity, they wish to enslave humanity by dumbing it down by convincing people to racemix with black people who have IQs around 68 on average. They want to destroy us whites because we can stop this plan. Meanwhile jews keep their high IQs and rule over the remaining dumbasses forever that is diversity.

Diversity is nothing more a jewish species enslavement agenda that has been planned for centuries since the fucking 1500s where they brought blacks here TO ONE DAY KILL ALL OF US WHITE PEOPLE.

That is why Im against it because I want a future where humans are not ruled by the monsters known as the jewish race for eternity. Believe me look at Palestine imagine that on a planetary scale you stupid fools.

And fuck you jews on this website too. I know the majority of people against me are jews because they want humans like me gone so they can enslave these stupid muslims, blacks, and mexicans in their new world order.

FUCK YOU JEWS CANCER OF MANKIND

FUCK JEWS

EVIL PIECES OF SHIT

ALL JEWS NEED TO BE ERADICATED!!!!!

FUCK JEWS!

[Oil exporting People]

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump's policies make you bad news by proxy?

This is based on the faulty proposition I'd run like a coward; my duty to my Homeland and personal beliefs dictate I must stand and fight.

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

No one thinks like this, nor would any sane government turn down educated, well off immigrants.

[Auze]

I mean the real natives of the island of England not you immigrants.

>"You immigrants"
Bruv I don't live in England or anywhere in the UK.

So, the Welsh, Irish, and Cornish? Because the English are the descendants of Anglo-Saxon migrants that destroyed the Romano-British, who currently exist iin the form of the Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons.

[Purpelia]

No one thinks like this, nor would any sane government turn down educated, well off immigrants.

Actually there are good reasons you might want to turn those down as well. Like for example if they are coming from a society whose political, religious or other values are deeply incompatible with your own. Like for example you wouldn't want to allow in a North Korean true believer who genuinely thinks Kim is doing the right thing and wants to spread the word to your country no matter how educated or well off he was. (exaggerated hyperbolic example)

[Kubumba Tribe]

No one thinks like this, nor would any sane government turn down educated, well off immigrants.

Actually there are good reasons you might want to turn those down as well. Like for example if they are coming from a society whose political, religious or other values are deeply incompatible with your own. Like for example you wouldn't want to allow in a North Korean true believer who genuinely thinks Kim is doing the right thing and wants to spread the word to your country no matter how educated or well off he was. (exaggerated hyperbolic example)

I would.

[NS Dates]

I don't think this could happen. Other then a few people immigrating to Canada, the US won't ever have this happen. You know what they say, the whole world sucks, but America sucks less.

[Right wing humour squad]

Credit Herp's post on the undesirability of a balkanized States of America for giving me the idea to work on this thread.

Anyway: Civil War talk is once again in the air, with liberals and conservatives on each others' throats over a host of topics, from immigration to same-sex marriage to guns to education to the economy to foreign relations to the very fundamentals of democracy as practiced in the United States. While I very much doubt that things will come to that bloody head (as another poster pointed out in the Civil War thread, the latter half of the '60s saw not only actual terrorist groups operating on US soil, but assassinations of such figures as MLK, Malcolm X, and Bobby Kennedy), I must admit the question of what would happen if it does interests me, if for less than beneficent reasons.

So, yes, you can probably figure out what I'm after here, but I'll spell it out anyway: in the event of war between militant factions of American liberals and conservatives, hundreds of thousands if not millions will flock towards the Canadian and Mexican borders, seeking asylum and whatnot. Probably hundreds, even thousands, will set sail for Cuba, the Bahamas, Hawaii and various US territories, everywhere as far as their money and navigational skills could take them.

So here are my questions:

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump's policies make you bad news by proxy?

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

And because these questions must have my answers:

1. I'm not a criminal.
2. "Some of them might be criminals, but let them die? Are you fucking nuts?"
3. Suicide by cop.

1. You don’t leave your country when you need to help fix it.
2. This person left their country they have no character and are either criminals or cowards. We want neither. Deport.
3. See 1.

[Estanglia]

So here are my questions:

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world? In other words, why should it take you in, fully knowing Trump's policies make you bad news by proxy?

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

1) If I was, they should let me in if I'm skilled and won't depend on social programs for survival. Once the war is over, I should be sent back unless I obtain citizenship there. The citizenry is not representative of the government policy; bringing in millions of Syrians doesn't make you an Assad supporter.

2) They shouldn't have to unless they (and their citizens) support it. I'm not entitled to be in any country other than my country of origin.

3) Try another country, or try to obtain legal citizenship.

Also...

You know what I dont care anymore.

Jews are behind diversity, they wish to enslave humanity by dumbing it down by convincing people to racemix with black people who have IQs around 68 on average. They want to destroy us whites because we can stop this plan. Meanwhile jews keep their high IQs and rule over the remaining dumbasses forever that is diversity.

Diversity is nothing more a jewish species enslavement agenda that has been planned for centuries since the fucking 1500s where they brought blacks here TO ONE DAY KILL ALL OF US WHITE PEOPLE.

That is why Im against it because I want a future where humans are not ruled by the monsters known as the jewish race for eternity. Believe me look at Palestine imagine that on a planetary scale you stupid fools.

And fuck you jews on this website too. I know the majority of people against me are jews because they want humans like me gone so they can enslave these stupid muslims, blacks, and mexicans in their new world order.

FUCK YOU JEWS CANCER OF MANKIND

FUCK JEWS

EVIL PIECES OF SHIT

ALL JEWS NEED TO BE ERADICATED!!!!!

FUCK JEWS!

I think I see why Forund no longer exists. He did stuff like this in the Italy thread when it was threadjacked (sorry for helping Farnhamia, I was new to NS forums).

[United Imperial Systems]

some racist bs

I wonder if this guy is genuine or just trolling...
if it's the former, i think i'll never regain faith in humanity

[Dixie]

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world?

It's relative to the nation. I have no right to live in their nation, regardless of my skills or whether or not I am a criminal. Their borders, their choice. Trump is irrelevant to it.

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

Again, Trump is irrelevant. I would choose to take in refugees based on how well they would assimilate and what skills they might bring. Or I might bring in none if my country doesn't need any.

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

Probably try to fix my own country instead of assuming the world owes me something or that I have a right to live in someone else's country because of fallacious appeals to emotion.

[Ifreann]

1) If you are an American refugee (and by American I mean American citizen -- no extra citizenship, no expat or exchange-student or tourist-trapped bullshit) in this hypothetical scenario, why should you be given permission by whichever government to reside in their part of the world?

It's relative to the nation. I have no right to live in their nation, regardless of my skills or whether or not I am a criminal. Their borders, their choice. Trump is irrelevant to it.

2) If you're the government of whichever country takes your fancy, why would you take in refugees from the United States, fully knowing Trump's policies would've made the host country's inhabitants persona non grata?

Again, Trump is irrelevant. I would choose to take in refugees based on how well they would assimilate and what skills they might bring. Or I might bring in none if my country doesn't need any.

3) Now imagine yourself a refugee again, application after application for asylum denied even if you're not a criminal nor would you likely be one. What would you do?

Probably try to fix my own country instead of assuming the world owes me something or that I have a right to live in someone else's country because of fallacious appeals to emotion.

The right to seek asylum is well established in international law, regardless of how you feel about it.

[Dixie]

It's relative to the nation. I have no right to live in their nation, regardless of my skills or whether or not I am a criminal. Their borders, their choice. Trump is irrelevant to it.


Again, Trump is irrelevant. I would choose to take in refugees based on how well they would assimilate and what skills they might bring. Or I might bring in none if my country doesn't need any.


Probably try to fix my own country instead of assuming the world owes me something or that I have a right to live in someone else's country because of fallacious appeals to emotion.

The right to seek asylum is well established in international law, regardless of how you feel about it.

And they have no right to be accepted wherever they'd like, regardless of how you feel about it.