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by Painisia » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:43 am
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by Reikoku » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:40 pm
Puldania wrote:Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
You are now changing the subject to, um, something. I would call it evading the point, but you would know that better than I would. You argued that the term extremist has connotations of violence. I disagreed and asked that you look it up in any dictionary. I did not specify which dictionary. Dictionaries range from the general to the specific. (For instance, I have several sociological dictionaries.)
I can tell you, having researched the subject pretty extensively, that the word extremist has no connotations of violence. That is not to say that some extremists might not be violent. However, one can also be a nonviolent extremist (like me).
He is not just any social democrat. He is the person who made it popular for a lot of other American social democrats to call themselves democratic socialists.
People have called me an extremist myself, despite being a near-jainist tier pacifist.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:41 pm
West Leas Oros wrote:Which is something SJWs are notorious for doing.
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by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:43 pm
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:45 pm
Reikoku wrote:Jainism historically was supported by militaristic Southern Indian kings. Make of that what you will.
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by The South Falls » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:47 pm
by Reikoku » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:15 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Reikoku wrote:Jainism historically was supported by militaristic Southern Indian kings. Make of that what you will.
All religions have had historical issues of one form or another. The focus should be on the Jains of today. For instance, I despise what the Roman Catholic Church did during the Inquisition, but Pope Francis is among the humans I respect most.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:24 pm
Reikoku wrote:In modern times, Jains are seen in the business class, which socialists are sure to hate.
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by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:28 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Reikoku wrote:Jainism historically was supported by militaristic Southern Indian kings. Make of that what you will.
All religions have had historical issues of one form or another. The focus should be on the Jains of today. For instance, I despise what the Roman Catholic Church did during the Inquisition, but Pope Francis is among the humans I respect most.
by Jelmatt » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:23 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
Would regular sexbots stop regular rape? If not, then why would child sexbots stop child rape?
No evidence on the former, some on the latter. Because by their nature people with pedophilic tendencies have no outlets other than ones that victimize children. It's worth noting that some turn themselves in and seek assistance. Providing a victimless alternative for them may increase the number willing to do that. People who want sex with adult men and women have alternatives to sexually exploiting them, including porn, and sex robots there wouldn't have as big an impact.
There was a successful push by the UK government in curbing child abuse by making adverts to explicitly appeal to people tempted to be pedophiles to turn themselves in for help and assistance without criminal consequence. The purely punitive approach doesn't appear to be maximally effective, especially considering these tendencies are often pathologies, and especially for large scale testimony and data on the pedophile networks and rings which those kind of initiatives provide by allowing some to turncoat.
So far, there is no research to indicate whether or not Takagi’s dolls would be successful, and Peter Fagan from the John Hopkins School of Medicine is skeptical that there ever will be. Citing cognitive-behavioral theory, the paraphilia researcher believes that contact with Trottla’s products would likely have a “reinforcing effect” on pedophilic ideation and “in many instances, cause it to be acted upon with greater urgency.” The research Fagan cites to support that conclusion is based on offenders, so it is unclear whether the effects would be different for non-offenders.
Michael Seto from the University of Toronto speculated on the possible existence of two distinct populations of pedophiles. Drawing an analogy to methadone treatment for opioid addicts, the psychiatrist hypothesized that “for some pedophiles, access to artificial child pornography or to child sex dolls could be a safer outlet for their sexual urges, reducing the likelihood that they would seek out child pornography or sex with real children. For others, having these substitutes might only aggravate their sense of frustration.”
Ostroeuropa wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:I mean, if the problem is pedophiles maybe the solution shouldn't be to enable them by giving them little kiddy robots to fiddle around.
How is it enabling them? You're aware they don't actually choose to be that way, right? They choose to engage in it, but it's usually the result of pathology that makes them that way in the first place. (Often but not always having been victimized in youth themselves.)
In any case, the bots would probably curb the demand for child pornography, which in itself has impacts.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:45 pm
Salus Maior wrote:The Spanish Inquisition was actually far better than the secular authorities at the time. The Inquisition actually informed suspects of the investigation 30 days in advance so that they would be able to build a defense for themselves, and didn't actually execute many people. Whereas secular authorities weren't much different from lynch mobs.
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by Puldania » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:49 pm
by Puldania » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:50 pm
by West Leas Oros » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:01 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
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by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:09 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Salus Maior wrote:The Spanish Inquisition was actually far better than the secular authorities at the time. The Inquisition actually informed suspects of the investigation 30 days in advance so that they would be able to build a defense for themselves, and didn't actually execute many people. Whereas secular authorities weren't much different from lynch mobs.
Is it better to die from a firing squad or from hanging? I don't know. The result is the same.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:47 pm
West Leas Oros wrote:Then we clearly have had much different observations. I have to remember that it’s different depending on where you are and who you ask.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:48 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Better to die at least being given a chance through legal process than by an angry mob, yeah.
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by Puldania » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:49 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:Then we clearly have had much different observations. I have to remember that it’s different depending on where you are and who you ask.
We do have very different observations. I see so-called SJWs as potential candidates to become libertarian communists, and I would never attack them.
I also do not believe it is possible to be a libertarian communist without being an SJW. To me, being a anti-SJW libertarian communist is a contradiction in terms.
by The South Falls » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:41 pm
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:03 pm
Puldania wrote:I am typically lumped in with "libertarian communists"
Liberals have authoritarian tendencies inherently incompatible with anything libertarian.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:03 pm
The South Falls wrote:Or drive you out of the nation, but the point is the same.
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by Pasong Tirad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:I mean, if the problem is pedophiles maybe the solution shouldn't be to enable them by giving them little kiddy robots to fiddle around.
How is it enabling them? You're aware they don't actually choose to be that way, right? They choose to engage in it, but it's usually the result of pathology that makes them that way in the first place. (Often but not always having been victimized in youth themselves.)
In any case, the bots would probably curb the demand for child pornography, which in itself has impacts.
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