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by New Axiom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:17 pm
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.
by Nadrea » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:19 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:20 pm
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by The Burke Islands » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:21 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Burke Islands wrote:That’s a little unfair to say in my opinion.
Perhaps, but I feel I have the means to give that child a good life, with a good moral upbringing. Not all kids like being in the spotlight, being the child of the POTUS automatically brings a ton of publicity. There’s also the possibility of being spoiled or naive as a result, which is never good. The president also, understandably, doesn’t have much time for family bonding, and a child of theirs could easily feel neglected by their father’s absence.
Would you (you personally) rather be spoiled and naive but have the benefit of a Trump upbringing... or instead be raised by a regular run of the mill parent who promises a good moral education?
by Xadufell » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:23 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Xadufell wrote:
Что?
That’s how it sounds.
I asked: “is it in the best interest of the child to have you or the President of the USA as the sole legal guardian assuming the President wants to be a good father. Consider the pros and cons for the child and choose what is best for the child (since you presumably love your child and want the best for them.”
Your response:
“I should be able keep the child. I have done nothing wrong. Child = mine mine mine.”
That’s how it comes across. Knee jerk parental possessiveness.
Grinning Dragon wrote:Why would anyone waste a good bullet on the likes of CNN anyway? I don't understand why anyone would get that worked up over a bunch of dipshits, christ if their shit show is getting you that worked up, just turn the damn thing off and go for a walk/run/ride.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:24 pm
The Burke Islands wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Would you (you personally) rather be spoiled and naive but have the benefit of a Trump upbringing... or instead be raised by a regular run of the mill parent who promises a good moral education?
Mmmm no, because I was raised by a regular run of the mill parent that gave me a good moral education, and I am very grateful that my father made enough to give me what I needed, not what I wanted.
by The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:25 pm
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by Xmara » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:29 pm
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by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:30 pm
The Free Joy State wrote:Trump may "want to be a good father", that doesn't mean he will be a good father.
If his current children "turned out OK" -- the jury's very much still out on that -- it would be because of their mothers, their nannies, their schools and not because of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is not getting any younger, so naming him "sole guardian" seems completely foolhardy from that point of view. If my hypothetical child is a baby today, what is the chance that Donald Trump will be around when she or he is twenty-one?
Why does Donald Trump want my child? No responsible parent would turn over a child to anyone -- billionaire or not -- just because they asked. If social services want your child, they still have to give adequate reason why. And you can protest it. And appeal. It's not just "give me your baby", "ok then, see ya kiddo".
Donald Trump would raise my child to be a self-entitled brat with no thought for anyone but themselves. The world doesn't need more people like that.
Besidewhich, I love my hypothetical child and I can care for my hypothetical child and there is no practical reason to give them up.
In short: no. Fuck no.
by The Burke Islands » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:30 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Burke Islands wrote:Mmmm no, because I was raised by a regular run of the mill parent that gave me a good moral education, and I am very grateful that my father made enough to give me what I needed, not what I wanted.
Or rather... that is all you could get. You didn’t get to have a powerful rich father who could open thousands of doors for you so you say to your child:
“If I didn’t get it, you won’t either.”
And then you create this super complex justification about the virtues of limited resources and firm moral discipline. The mind is truly a marvelous machine.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:33 pm
The Burke Islands wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Or rather... that is all you could get. You didn’t get to have a powerful rich father who could open thousands of doors for you so you say to your child:
“If I didn’t get it, you won’t either.”
And then you create this super complex justification about the virtues of limited resources and firm moral discipline. The mind is truly a marvelous machine.
Limited resources and firm moral discipline are virtues, they help teach children restraint, the value of managing your resources, and making the best life choices available to them.
It’s rather insulting that you believe Trump could have raised me better than my father did simply because he is a “powerful rich father”.
Being rich and powerful has nothing to do with parental skill. And no, I don’t have a “if I didn’t get it, you won’t either” attitude, if I ended up rich and powerful, I’d still teach my children these values, because I believe they are worth teaching regardless of your social status.
by Xmara » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:36 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Burke Islands wrote:Limited resources and firm moral discipline are virtues, they help teach children restraint, the value of managing your resources, and making the best life choices available to them.
It’s rather insulting that you believe Trump could have raised me better than my father did simply because he is a “powerful rich father”.
Being rich and powerful has nothing to do with parental skill. And no, I don’t have a “if I didn’t get it, you won’t either” attitude, if I ended up rich and powerful, I’d still teach my children these values, because I believe they are worth teaching regardless of your social status.
If trump loved you as much as your father did... then why couldn’t he have raised you better? It’s entirely very likely. You’d have far more economic and social opportunities for one thing.
Why is that hard to accept?
by The Burke Islands » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:37 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Burke Islands wrote:Limited resources and firm moral discipline are virtues, they help teach children restraint, the value of managing your resources, and making the best life choices available to them.
It’s rather insulting that you believe Trump could have raised me better than my father did simply because he is a “powerful rich father”.
Being rich and powerful has nothing to do with parental skill. And no, I don’t have a “if I didn’t get it, you won’t either” attitude, if I ended up rich and powerful, I’d still teach my children these values, because I believe they are worth teaching regardless of your social status.
If trump loved you as much as your father did... then why couldn’t he have raised you better? It’s entirely very likely. You’d have far more economic and social opportunities for one thing.
Why is that hard to accept?
by Lesser Compline » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:37 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:38 pm
Xmara wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
If trump loved you as much as your father did... then why couldn’t he have raised you better? It’s entirely very likely. You’d have far more economic and social opportunities for one thing.
Why is that hard to accept?
I don’t know how it is in your world, but I for one know that, to use a cliche, money doesn’t buy happiness.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:39 pm
Lesser Compline wrote:Well, considering how many billions of people had parents who didn't have anywhere near the financial resources or economic/political power of Donald Trump but still turned out fine, I would maybe say these aren't the best criteria for judging someone's ability to raise a child. And look at Trump, he's mocked the physically disabled and bragged about his ability to sexually harass any woman he wants so it's not really that difficult to say you wouldn't want such a despicable person raising your kids no matter how much money he has in the bank.
by Genivaria » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:40 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Lesser Compline wrote:Well, considering how many billions of people had parents who didn't have anywhere near the financial resources or economic/political power of Donald Trump but still turned out fine, I would maybe say these aren't the best criteria for judging someone's ability to raise a child. And look at Trump, he's mocked the physically disabled and bragged about his ability to sexually harass any woman he wants so it's not really that difficult to say you wouldn't want such a despicable person raising your kids no matter how much money he has in the bank.
Why would you want your kid to turn our “fine” when they can be so much more?
Would you rather be “fine” or someone actually important?
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:42 pm
by Genivaria » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:43 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Genivaria wrote:I really don't know why you think that wealth is somehow the best factor for raising children.
I really don’t know why you think that when 2 people have the same equal intention to be a good parent... that the fact that one party has infinitely more resources is irrelevant.
Clearly, you don’t have the child’s best interest at heart.
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