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Postby The Republic of Fore » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:14 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Principle of not our problem.


One is actually in the treaty that governs how refugees are treated. The other is a pretty big case of "not a racist but".

And I'm sure the strongly worded letter Italy would receive would be very frightening. Also there really needs to be a logical fallacy for labelling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. Or mandatory ownership of a dictionary. Just because they're from Africa does not mean It's racist to refuse to accept them.

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Principle of not our problem.

You can't send people back to countries where they'll face oppression. And since they are, by definition, in your country for that to be a possibility, it is your problem.

Sure we can. The US did it with Cubans for decades. And jews during Hitler's Germany. What are they going to do if we refuse to take them? Get slightly miffed and complain?

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Postby The Republic of Fore » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:17 pm

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The Republic of Fore wrote:Turn them away.

But what's stopping them trying again? Only one sure-fire way to stop them landing, let's be honest.

Deploy the navy. Anyone who tries is arrested and sent home. Problem solved.

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Postby Bashtosa » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:19 pm

Did you build a wall?

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:28 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Compassion doesn’t fix budget issues or financial crises.

Weird that you keep insisting on compassion for workers and veterans then.

Workers help our nation grow and veterans bled for their nation. They are much different than refugees who have done shit for our nations.

The fact that you can’t figure that out is depressing
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:31 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:If you’re talking about me personally, you are definitely wrong.

Are you responsible for the current budget or the tax code?

No I’m not. And if I was it wouldn’t be the way it is
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:32 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If they are refugees kick them out. If they are an Italian citizen than they shall be helped by the state

What makes citizens automatically more worthy of help if all other conditions but need are the same between the citizen and the refugee?

Because it is the state’s duty to help its people first not some refugees
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:34 pm

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The Republic of Fore wrote:That isn't our concern. Don't want to die at sea? Don't get in a boat. Quite simple.

It is the concern of any nearby vessels. Law of the sea.

Law of the Sea can fuck off.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:35 pm

*nevermind*
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Are you responsible for the current budget or the tax code?

No I’m not. And if I was it wouldn’t be the way it is

Then it should be clear I'm not holding you personally responsible for the choices of the US government.
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Postby Mutz » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:*nevermind*

You can both be right: It was founded by a German captain and a French human rights activist and has headquartes in France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland.

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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:53 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:But what's stopping them trying again? Only one sure-fire way to stop them landing, let's be honest.

Deploy the navy. Anyone who tries is arrested and sent home. Problem solved.

Won't stop them trying again though will it?
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Ifreann wrote:It is the concern of any nearby vessels. Law of the sea.

Law of the Sea can fuck off.

So why not actively combat the problem and torpedo the boats?
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Postby The Republic of Fore » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:55 pm

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Deploy the navy. Anyone who tries is arrested and sent home. Problem solved.

Won't stop them trying again though will it?
Thermodolia wrote:Law of the Sea can fuck off.

So why not actively combat the problem and torpedo the boats?

Nope but it will stop them from getting in. Which is the point. Anyway, torpedoing the boats would lead to a massive uproar.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:58 pm

The Republic of Fore wrote:
Eastfield Lodge wrote:Won't stop them trying again though will it?

So why not actively combat the problem and torpedo the boats?

Nope but it will stop them from getting in. Which is the point. Anyway, torpedoing the boats would lead to a massive uproar.

Not unless you stated that human trafficking should not be allowed in your nation, which includes national borders. So fire a few warning shots and if they dont turn around you sink em
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Nope but it will stop them from getting in. Which is the point. Anyway, torpedoing the boats would lead to a massive uproar.

Not unless you stated that human trafficking should not be allowed in your nation, which includes national borders. So fire a few warning shots and if they dont turn around you sink em


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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Nope but it will stop them from getting in. Which is the point. Anyway, torpedoing the boats would lead to a massive uproar.

Not unless you stated that human trafficking should not be allowed in your nation, which includes national borders. So fire a few warning shots and if they dont turn around you sink em

Alternatively declare it as an invasion, use it to fuel anti-immigrant sentiment back home even further and then you can finally rid yourselves of the menace, both home and abroad.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:26 pm

How costly is it to take in these immigrants?

Regardless I don't blame Italy. It's not their problem.

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not unless you stated that human trafficking should not be allowed in your nation, which includes national borders. So fire a few warning shots and if they dont turn around you sink em


*Europe* "We have a problem."

*America bursts through the wall* "SHOOT IT! SHOOT IT! SHOOT IT!"


That's a bit off

You forget the part where the Europeans hand their money to the Turk to solve their problem rather than do it themselves for half the cost :^)

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Postby God Tere Norld » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:33 pm

Arlenton wrote:How costly is it to take in these immigrants?

Regardless I don't blame Italy. It's not their problem.

I agree

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I mean........ still better than Australia?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not unless you stated that human trafficking should not be allowed in your nation, which includes national borders. So fire a few warning shots and if they dont turn around you sink em


*Europe* "We have a problem."

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:31 pm

Dylar wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Turn them away.

I hope you know that the boats the refugees arrive on are not that sea-worthy. Also, where are they to go? There homes are either destroyed or being used as a command post by either the Syrian Rebels or Assad's forces. And they can't go back unless they want to be killed in the cross-fire.

Wow, once againt people fall for the propaganda stating that every single person is a Syrian refugee.

That's a lie, you were lied too.
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Postby Ieskarios » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:35 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:Wow, once againt people fall for the propaganda stating that every single person is a Syrian refugee.

That's a lie, you were lied too.

You mean to tell me that Syria isn't full of Africans? Say it ain't so!
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