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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:58 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
noeux thoueux :^)

Non tu.


*cuneiform "no u"*
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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Any talk of human nature makes me get my think face on.

The nature of which humans? From what culture? From what time period?


The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)


Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:04 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)


Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

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West Leas Oros
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Founded: Jul 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:04 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)


Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

Anprim paradise.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:07 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)


Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.


Nay, technology can stay, just destroy current social structures to achieve total socioeconomic equality. :^)
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New Emeline
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Posts: 6275
Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

does rootbeer count as technology?

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:35 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

does rootbeer count as technology?


everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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New Emeline
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Founded: Jan 16, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby New Emeline » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
New Emeline wrote:does rootbeer count as technology?


everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)

hmmm

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:48 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)

hmmm


*human biotechnology intensifies*
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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Founded: Nov 30, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:06 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:You can have individual liberty and have a functioning state at the same time. Shocking, I know.


That would be the first stage of Marxist communism.

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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:09 pm

Torrocca wrote:one of the major themes of anarchy is that the state is constantly oppressing you.


The oppression comes from the bourgeois or capitalist state. A proletarian state, if we ever get there, will, I believe, be emancipatory, not oppressive. That is what Rosa supported.

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West Leas Oros
Minister
 
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Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:12 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Torrocca wrote:one of the major themes of anarchy is that the state is constantly oppressing you.


The oppression comes from the bourgeois or capitalist state. A proletarian state, if we ever get there, will, I believe, be emancipatory, not oppressive. That is what Rosa supported.

That makes sense In my opinion. What if we had everything organized into democratic collectives and unions, which were largely self governing, but answered to a sort of regulatory bureau or higher government? A federal system mixed with communist economics?
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:34 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Non tu.


*cuneiform "no u"*

jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:43 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*cuneiform "no u"*

jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"


*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Cekoviu
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:44 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"


*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*

*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*

*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*


*aggressively javelins*
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*


*aggressively javelins*

*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*aggressively javelins*

*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*


*violently replicates*
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:04 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*


*violently replicates*

*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*violently replicates*

*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*


*experiences a thermonuclear reaction and destroys the entirety of the LWDT*
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Firaxin
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Postby Firaxin » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*


*experiences a thermonuclear reaction and destroys the entirety of the LWDT*

*begins running out of energy, spewing less heat into the void, contributing to universal heat death*

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El Hamidah
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Ex-Nation

Postby El Hamidah » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:15 pm

lmao what's even going on in here?
put my grasses on, everything went wrong

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:20 pm

El Hamidah wrote:lmao what's even going on in here?

nej du
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Aellex
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Founded: Apr 23, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.


Nay, technology can stay, just destroy current social structures to achieve total socioeconomic equality. :^)

You can't. Especially if you want to not only keep but also improve technology. The "90% of humanity" that existed before we decided to create States lived in abjectly shitty conditions, with horrendously bad life expectancy. All of that improved only thanks to the creation of States and the social organisation that resulted.
If you remove States, you remove Civilisation itself and you throw humanity back in the dark ages with all the shittiness that implies.
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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:08 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:That makes sense In my opinion. What if we had everything organized into democratic collectives and unions, which were largely self governing, but answered to a sort of regulatory bureau or higher government? A federal system mixed with communist economics?


I think so, yes. At least those are my personal reflections. Of course, the system may turn out to be completely different.

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