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by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:34 am
by Sinkretichki Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:35 am
Rhinocera wrote:You kidnapped a national leader after offering sanctuary, then threw them in a volcano... that’s a cruddy plot to a cruddy action movie right there.
by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:36 am
Rhinocera wrote:You kidnapped a national leader after offering sanctuary, then threw them in a volcano... that’s a cruddy plot to a cruddy action movie right there.
by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:37 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Rhinocera wrote:I never said that the plot armor wasn’t shoddy rping (no offense L&A), just that it looked like plot armor. L&A and I have been rping since I started Rping on NS, but plot armor is plot armor. The catching mitt drone is a ridiculous response to an equally ridiculous series of posts.
Actually I think it's only stretching the boundaries. This morning I ran the calculation and it would need an acceleration of about 150 g over 3 km to get it to Mach 10. That's a lot, but it might be possible for a small enough drone.
I mean, we could retcon it, but if we do we're going to need to think of another IC way to avoid having someone's major character thrown into a volcano without their OOC permission...?Mandakhstan wrote:Not overly, but a big physics defying blimp which dodges nukes is.
Airships do not defy physics and if you don't like it the door is that way.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:37 am
Sinkretichki Kombinat wrote:Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Actually I think it's only stretching the boundaries. This morning I ran the calculation and it would need an acceleration of about 150 g over 3 km to get it to Mach 10. That's a lot, but it might be possible.
I mean, we could retcon it, but if we do we're going to need to think of another IC way to avoid having someone's major character thrown into a volcano without their OOC permission...?
The exchange between VKK and Azadistan was in fact proceeding voluntarily until you barged in with the metagaming-leaning communication about nanoparticles.
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by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:38 am
Sinkretichki Kombinat wrote:Rhinocera wrote:You kidnapped a national leader after offering sanctuary, then threw them in a volcano... that’s a cruddy plot to a cruddy action movie right there.
second part again would not have happened had that nanoparticle thing not came in, and the first part is completely reasonable given that the two players were both going along with it
by Sinkretichki Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:39 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Sinkretichki Kombinat wrote:The exchange between VKK and Azadistan was in fact proceeding voluntarily until you barged in with the metagaming-leaning communication about nanoparticles.
Azadistan is part of the Aestorian Commonwealth. They signed a treaty saying so and it's the OP here. If you don't like that, the door is still that way.
Anyway, I never said the nanoparticles business was true. As it happens to be a field I'm more familiar with, I'm actually fairly certain it's borderline impossible. That was why I was going to have the Aestorian Commonwealth drop snuff by stealth drone in an attempt to pretend that sneezing was the first symptom, so that they could have exchanged the antidote for the Maharani.
(To be honest, I actually prefer that plotline, it's far more amusing)!
by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:40 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Rhinocera wrote:You kidnapped a national leader after offering sanctuary, then threw them in a volcano... that’s a cruddy plot to a cruddy action movie right there.
Don't forget the part where they deposit $40 trillion USD to us in exchange for a fake head stuffed with explosives which kills their leader! Thankfully I have found a bank to legitimize the $40 trillion the Azadistanis have given us.
by Mandakhstan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:40 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Rhinocera wrote:I never said that the plot armor wasn’t shoddy rping (no offense L&A), just that it looked like plot armor. L&A and I have been rping since I started Rping on NS, but plot armor is plot armor. The catching mitt drone is a ridiculous response to an equally ridiculous series of posts.
Actually I think it's only stretching the boundaries. This morning I ran the calculation and it would need an acceleration of about 150 g over 3 km to get it to Mach 10. That's a lot, but it might be possible for a small enough drone.
I mean, we could retcon it, but if we do we're going to need to think of another IC way to avoid having someone's major character thrown into a volcano without their OOC permission...?Mandakhstan wrote:Not overly, but a big physics defying blimp which dodges nukes is.
Airships do not defy physics and if you don't like it the door is that way.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:41 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Sinkretichki Kombinat wrote:second part again would not have happened had that nanoparticle thing not came in, and the first part is completely reasonable given that the two players were both going along with it
Yes.
If 2ria hadn't pulled off the nano particle deception thing she could have been allowed to live instead of being thrown into a volcano, but I did that to ensure the nanoparticle virus thing wouldn't destroy my capital.
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by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:46 am
Rhinocera wrote:Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Don't forget the part where they deposit $40 trillion USD to us in exchange for a fake head stuffed with explosives which kills their leader! Thankfully I have found a bank to legitimize the $40 trillion the Azadistanis have given us.
The only way Azadistan gave you 40 trillion is if they printed it that day, and if that’s the case a billion dollars can probably buy you a solid cup of coffee (the wonders of hyperinflation), so you can enjoy Starbucks for a few weeks.
by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:48 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Yes.
If 2ria hadn't pulled off the nano particle deception thing she could have been allowed to live instead of being thrown into a volcano, but I did that to ensure the nanoparticle virus thing wouldn't destroy my capital.
Why wasn't your country suspicious about whether the nanoparticles existed or could work? Or, if you thought it was true, why not just give back the Maharani? Either of those two options are far more reasonable and have far more common sense. They'd also mean we weren't having to argue about whether flying drones around at Mach 10 was a strictly realistic response.
It's only because you chose the third, ridiculous option of throwing a major character into a volcano that I've made Ausitoria take similarly drastic measures to stop that from happening.
And I'm pleased to see that Rhinocera's understanding of modern economics is spot-on.
by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:52 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Rhinocera wrote:
The only way Azadistan gave you 40 trillion is if they printed it that day, and if that’s the case a billion dollars can probably buy you a solid cup of coffee (the wonders of hyperinflation), so you can enjoy Starbucks for a few weeks.
I'm not sure if you even read the thread at all at this point. It was clearly stated that Azadistan transferred $40 trillion in NSD/USD. You cannot just devalue another nation's currency, let alone NSD. If Azadistan really printed all those NSD, then I'd say the world economy is fucked.
by Sinkretichki Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:56 am
Rhinocera wrote:Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:
I'm not sure if you even read the thread at all at this point. It was clearly stated that Azadistan transferred $40 trillion in NSD/USD. You cannot just devalue another nation's currency, let alone NSD. If Azadistan really printed all those NSD, then I'd say the world economy is fucked.
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:56 am
Mandakhstan wrote:
Well, we've already gotten into the antimatter issue which I won't repeat, but there's also materials strength issues with your design, given that it's under a lot of pressure, an issue only exacerbated by its overcompensatory length. Assuming that the pressure problem is then solved, there's the issue of it remaining agile enough to casually dodge missiles, despite the fact that mass increases greatly in comparison to length due to the square cube law. Of course, you'll just wave me off with some business about how I shouldn't be assuming things
Rhinocera wrote:Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:
I'm not sure if you even read the thread at all at this point. It was clearly stated that Azadistan transferred $40 trillion in NSD/USD. You cannot just devalue another nation's currency, let alone NSD. If Azadistan really printed all those NSD, then I'd say the world economy is fucked.
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
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by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:03 am
Rhinocera wrote:Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:
I'm not sure if you even read the thread at all at this point. It was clearly stated that Azadistan transferred $40 trillion in NSD/USD. You cannot just devalue another nation's currency, let alone NSD. If Azadistan really printed all those NSD, then I'd say the world economy is fucked.
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:07 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Rhinocera wrote:
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
Where did I ever state that USD = United States Dollar?
I'm referring to the other name for NSD, Universal Standard Dollar.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:07 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Rhinocera wrote:
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
Where did I ever state that USD = United States Dollar?
I'm referring to the other name for NSD, Universal Standard Dollar.
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by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:10 am
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by Veliki Koperativni Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:10 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Mandakhstan wrote:Well, we've already gotten into the antimatter issue which I won't repeat, but there's also materials strength issues with your design, given that it's under a lot of pressure, an issue only exacerbated by its overcompensatory length. Assuming that the pressure problem is then solved, there's the issue of it remaining agile enough to casually dodge missiles, despite the fact that mass increases greatly in comparison to length due to the square cube law. Of course, you'll just wave me off with some business about how I shouldn't be assuming things
Absolutely, because when you assume you make an ass out of you and me. First, it isn't dodging missiles any more than an airport dodges missiles. This craft is such a monolith that neither Ausitoria or I would trust it within 5,000 kilometers of a country with anti-air defences. It's best defence is being at a big distance. Second, a variable internal pressure, which can not only vary with the atmosphere around it but can also vary (by differential pumping) within itself, means that a partial vacuum craft can have no imbalance of forces on the surface of the craft and yet still have a buoyancy if the centre of the craft has a lower density. That means a nasty looking equation taking into account hoop stress becomes the relatively straightforward equation of exactly how much time is it going to take for the pumps to work?Rhinocera wrote:
Their GDP is 7 trillion, they did not pay you 40 trillion and not ruin the value of the currency. Also, the NSD and the USD are two very different currencies. One is a fake currency recognized as the standard currency on nationstates, and the other is a real life currency for a real life country. You either got a bunch of kindling, or a bunch of fake money. Unless your going camping or playing monopoly, your out of luck.
Quite. If a country can't pay 40 trillion you can't have 40 trillion. There's a saying in finance: if you owe the bank a million, you're in trouble. If you owe the bank a billion, the bank's in trouble.
And since the money transfer was not authorized by the Aestorian Commonwealth, you're not getting the money. You may call it a default, but Aestoria doesn't.
by Rhinocera » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:14 am
Veliki Koperativni Kombinat wrote:Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Absolutely, because when you assume you make an ass out of you and me. First, it isn't dodging missiles any more than an airport dodges missiles. This craft is such a monolith that neither Ausitoria or I would trust it within 5,000 kilometers of a country with anti-air defences. It's best defence is being at a big distance. Second, a variable internal pressure, which can not only vary with the atmosphere around it but can also vary (by differential pumping) within itself, means that a partial vacuum craft can have no imbalance of forces on the surface of the craft and yet still have a buoyancy if the centre of the craft has a lower density. That means a nasty looking equation taking into account hoop stress becomes the relatively straightforward equation of exactly how much time is it going to take for the pumps to work?
Quite. If a country can't pay 40 trillion you can't have 40 trillion. There's a saying in finance: if you owe the bank a million, you're in trouble. If you owe the bank a billion, the bank's in trouble.
And since the money transfer was not authorized by the Aestorian Commonwealth, you're not getting the money. You may call it a default, but Aestoria doesn't.
It was absolutely stupid for Azadistan to do such a thing, but alas they did. Somehow, they sent over $40 trillion in cash. Azadistan spent it even if he couldn't, and if he couldn't it was godmodding/wanking, and unless he calls it back, it's in stone. I don't know about how you'll handle this, but I'm imagining a variety of ways from it totally being retcon to his nation being ruined as the government spent probably decades... more like centuries in his case, budgets to buy a head.
by Radimostan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:09 am
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:16 am
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by Sinkretichki Kombinat » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:29 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Third, how is any of this supposed hacking meant to work when to the best of my knowledge none of your nations could have any familiarity with the (independent) operating systems of Aestorian computers and networks? Especially how on earth do you think you can just write "I've latched onto one of their banks through a fake account, draining several others"? This seems little better than posting "I drive my tanks through your defenses into the capital", so I'm bringing out the old ignore can(n)on.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:33 am
Sinkretichki Kombinat wrote:Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Third, how is any of this supposed hacking meant to work when to the best of my knowledge none of your nations could have any familiarity with the (independent) operating systems of Aestorian computers and networks? Especially how on earth do you think you can just write "I've latched onto one of their banks through a fake account, draining several others"? This seems little better than posting "I drive my tanks through your defenses into the capital", so I'm bringing out the old ignore can(n)on.
Not sure whose post this refers to, but it's not unreasonable to assume that any flaws of your computer systems would be knowledgeable via internet search given the interconnected nature of the world. Even if you do manage to avoid design pitfalls of hardwares that create some notable RL security flaws it's unlikely they're completely perfect.
In addition to this I would like to inquire on how Exodia's railgun attack could be voided, atmosphere provides relatively little shielding for such a weapon, and even though his particular weapon is admittedly rather slow at the same time you did also admit that the Delta was rather fragile.
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