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by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:11 am
by Shamhnan Insir » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:19 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mla-wells-compares-abortion-to-holocaust-more-people-killed-through-terminations-since-1967-36982395.html
Jim wells continues to be a wanker.
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:23 am
Vassenor wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Well, mainly I want you to admit that when you said you were working from outdated information, what you meant was "I did not know what I was talking about."
I'm not your dancing monkey.
Besides from the sounds of things you've already come to that decision whether I say it or not.
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:24 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-mla-wells-compares-abortion-to-holocaust-more-people-killed-through-terminations-since-1967-36982395.html
Jim wells continues to be a wanker.
by Vassenor » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:29 am
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Vassenor wrote:
I'm not your dancing monkey.
Besides from the sounds of things you've already come to that decision whether I say it or not.
Well, then kindly provide the outdated information you were working from.
I certainly have come to that conclusion. I've come to it because I cannot find anything saying that EU students have to pay Scottish tuition. I'm not sure when EU students last had to pay Scottish tuition, if they ever did. It's hard to find out, because googling turns up accurate information about how EU students currently don't have to pay. So I can't imagine that you could possibly have access to some weird, outdated information but nothing up to date. Which leads me to conclude that you basically just said what you vaguely thought was right. And that's fine. It's fine to be make mistakes. But it's weird that you feel the need to cover it.
I'm almost certainly being petty here, but you do this a lot. The other day, when forced to confront the sexism of a dress code, you labelled it "badly written", because the alternative was admitting that you were wrong. You're wrong about an awful lot of things, Vass. It's okay to admit it. You won't grow as a person if you can't accept your own fallibility.
Vassenor wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:That's not badly written. Badly written implies that some flaw in the wording results in the code having a meaning different from the author's intent or creates some loophole the author would not have approved of. In this case, it is clearly the school's intent that shorts be forbidden. It's like saying the Buggery Act was badly written because it made gay sex illegal.
So why is it okay to force (in practice) boys to only wear trousers, but not okay to force girls to only wear skirts?
Where did I say it was OK to force boys to only wear trousers?
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:37 am
Vassenor wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Well, then kindly provide the outdated information you were working from.
I certainly have come to that conclusion. I've come to it because I cannot find anything saying that EU students have to pay Scottish tuition. I'm not sure when EU students last had to pay Scottish tuition, if they ever did. It's hard to find out, because googling turns up accurate information about how EU students currently don't have to pay. So I can't imagine that you could possibly have access to some weird, outdated information but nothing up to date. Which leads me to conclude that you basically just said what you vaguely thought was right. And that's fine. It's fine to be make mistakes. But it's weird that you feel the need to cover it.
I'm almost certainly being petty here, but you do this a lot. The other day, when forced to confront the sexism of a dress code, you labelled it "badly written", because the alternative was admitting that you were wrong. You're wrong about an awful lot of things, Vass. It's okay to admit it. You won't grow as a person if you can't accept your own fallibility.
So show me when I said the dress code was not sexist. Like I asked you to at the time and you failed to.
Anything that doesn't treat men as special is gynocentric misandry.
by Vassenor » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:39 am
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So show me when I said the dress code was not sexist. Like I asked you to at the time and you failed to.
Well, I suppose you didn't explicitly. You did snidely dismiss Ostro, as you snidely dismiss everyone who disagrees with you.Anything that doesn't treat men as special is gynocentric misandry.
Which rather implies that you thought he was demanding special treatment and the existing state of affairs was fine. But we're getting away from the point. I note that I wrote quite a long post there, and you picked out one tiny part of it that's divorced from the whole "you being wrong about Scotland" theme.
Like I said, I know I'm being petty, but come on. It's not hard. Three little words: I was wrong. There, I've even typed them for you. You just need to copy and paste them.
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:53 am
Vassenor wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Well, I suppose you didn't explicitly. You did snidely dismiss Ostro, as you snidely dismiss everyone who disagrees with you.
Which rather implies that you thought he was demanding special treatment and the existing state of affairs was fine. But we're getting away from the point. I note that I wrote quite a long post there, and you picked out one tiny part of it that's divorced from the whole "you being wrong about Scotland" theme.
Like I said, I know I'm being petty, but come on. It's not hard. Three little words: I was wrong. There, I've even typed them for you. You just need to copy and paste them.
And I'm pretty sure that was the straight implication of "Oh, well I guess my information was outdated then" that would be obvious to anyone who wasn't trying to draw out a point for the sake of spite..
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:02 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:A school brought in a "Gender neutral" uniform policy, which in actuality is just gynocentric misandry.
They've said trousers or skirts only, banning shorts and telling boys to wear skirts if it gets too hot. This is a disparate impact kind of thing.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Salandriagado » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:32 am
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:48 am
Salandriagado wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Well, mainly I want you to admit that when you said you were working from outdated information, what you meant was "I did not know what I was talking about."
Except that isn't the case. There was a period when Vassenor's claim was true: that changed because they got taken to court over it.
by Shamhnan Insir » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:49 am
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING
by Oil exporting People » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:50 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:58 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:A school brought in a "Gender neutral" uniform policy, which in actuality is just gynocentric misandry.
They've said trousers or skirts only, banning shorts and telling boys to wear skirts if it gets too hot. This is a disparate impact kind of thing.
This is indeed dumb, and while I don't agree with your terminology, I do accept your assessment.
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:00 pm
Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
by Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:00 pm
Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
by Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:06 pm
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
This is a great chance for automation to replace cheap human labour.
by Neu Leonstein » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:07 pm
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Surely they're not affected yet? We haven't actually Brexited.
by Shamhnan Insir » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:10 pm
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
Surely they're not affected yet? We haven't actually Brexited.
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
This is a great chance for automation to replace cheap human labour.
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING
by Oil exporting People » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:12 pm
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:17 pm
Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:So who amongst you is going to go and help pick the fruit and vegetables this summer, since the complete fucking farce of the Brexit situation has hamstrung the supply of people willing to do the work?
Surely they're not affected yet? We haven't actually Brexited.
by Anywhere Else But Here » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:29 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Surely they're not affected yet? We haven't actually Brexited.
European fruit pickers shun Britain
by Oil exporting People » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:38 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Anywhere Else But Here wrote:Surely they're not affected yet? We haven't actually Brexited.
European fruit pickers shun Britain
Kent-based AG Recruitment and Management works in Romania to supply labour for 80 growers across the UK.
Over the next few months it needs to find 4,000 people to pick strawberries, raspberries, and eventually apples and pears. The agency is nowhere near that target, and is having to call farmers to say it will not have enough pickers for them.
According to co-director, Estera Amesz, the numbers of people wanting to work in Britain fell sharply after Brexit. A key issue was the fall in the value of the pound. She says it is also down to the uncertainty; people aren't sure what documents they now need.
Romania is one of the poorest countries in Europe. It is one of the largest recipients of EU money.
However, almost 30 years after the Romanian Revolution of 1989 and the fall of the communist leader Nicolae Ceausescu, its economy is growing at 6.9%. That's a much faster rate compared to Britain's.
It's creating a newly wealthy middle class.
Growers in Romania are also finding it tough to find pickers.
The director of the Research and Development Centre for Fruit Growing in Iasi, Gelu Corneanu, said: "It's really difficult to find workers to harvest our crops, mainly because they are attracted to other European countries.
"People tend to go and harvest garlic in Spain, then they harvest cherries in Romania and then they harvest strawberries in Greece."
by Shamhnan Insir » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:52 pm
Oil exporting People wrote:
Gotta love the BBC using click bait instead of delving into the actual reasons:Kent-based AG Recruitment and Management works in Romania to supply labour for 80 growers across the UK.
Over the next few months it needs to find 4,000 people to pick strawberries, raspberries, and eventually apples and pears. The agency is nowhere near that target, and is having to call farmers to say it will not have enough pickers for them.
According to co-director, Estera Amesz, the numbers of people wanting to work in Britain fell sharply after Brexit. A key issue was the fall in the value of the pound. She says it is also down to the uncertainty; people aren't sure what documents they now need.
For one, they're just citing a single company instead of any hard facts or data; that alone raises a major Red Flag as the problem could just be this company. Beyond that, this portion alone immediately invalidates the headline, as the workers are not shunning the UK over Brexit in of itself, as is implied, but actually just because they're unsure of the logistics of making it to the UK now.
Continuing on, we see even more trouble with the headline:Romania is one of the poorest countries in Europe. It is one of the largest recipients of EU money.
However, almost 30 years after the Romanian Revolution of 1989 and the fall of the communist leader Nicolae Ceausescu, its economy is growing at 6.9%. That's a much faster rate compared to Britain's.
It's creating a newly wealthy middle class.
Further on:Growers in Romania are also finding it tough to find pickers.
The director of the Research and Development Centre for Fruit Growing in Iasi, Gelu Corneanu, said: "It's really difficult to find workers to harvest our crops, mainly because they are attracted to other European countries.
"People tend to go and harvest garlic in Spain, then they harvest cherries in Romania and then they harvest strawberries in Greece."
So the actual problem doesn't seem to be Brexit at all, but instead that Eastern Europe is getting wealthy enough to not need to do this and when they do it, they're actually able to be more picky with regards to which jobs they take in order to get the best return.
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING
by Neu Leonstein » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:07 pm
Oil exporting People wrote:So the actual problem doesn't seem to be Brexit at all, but instead that Eastern Europe is getting wealthy enough to not need to do this and when they do it, they're actually able to be more picky with regards to which jobs they take in order to get the best return.
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