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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:22 pm

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Geneviev wrote:Europeans won't start anything, Muslims won't start anything. It would be better to try to get along.


I admire your optimism. But sorry, this is just wishful thinking. Brexit, Trump, Fascists winning in Italy are just the beginning. Genocide and hatred is coming back in Europe. I still respect those White Europeans who wish for peace though. But I think peace between Islam and the Westrn Civilization is only a utopia.

It is only impossible if people refuse to accept each other. Like having "against white people" in your signature, for instance.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:22 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:Where Muslims are concerned? Yes. Even if they were the invaders, they'd still be the victims.


It's always the Muslims' fault. No matter what.
I'm glad we agree on something.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I admire your optimism. But sorry, this is just wishful thinking. Brexit, Trump, Fascists winning in Italy are just the beginning. Genocide and hatred is coming back in Europe. I still respect those White Europeans who wish for peace though. But I think peace between Islam and the Westrn Civilization is only a utopia.

It is only impossible if people refuse to accept each other. Like having "against white people" in your signature, for instance.


Acceptance is impossible. The only possible solution is seclusion.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:23 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Europeans won't start anything, Muslims won't start anything. It would be better to try to get along.


I admire your optimism. But sorry, this is just wishful thinking. Brexit, Trump, Fascists winning in Italy are just the beginning. Genocide and hatred is coming back in Europe. I still respect those White Europeans who wish for peace though. But I think peace between Islam and the Westrn Civilization is only a utopia.

Being hyperbolic won't help matters any lmao

So, on another note, a question I've wanted to ask - what's you all's opinion on ex-Muslims; that is, those who were raised Muslim but converted to another religion?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:25 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I admire your optimism. But sorry, this is just wishful thinking. Brexit, Trump, Fascists winning in Italy are just the beginning. Genocide and hatred is coming back in Europe. I still respect those White Europeans who wish for peace though. But I think peace between Islam and the Westrn Civilization is only a utopia.

Being hyperbolic won't help matters any lmao

So, on another note, a question I've wanted to ask - what's you all's opinion on ex-Muslims; that is, those who were raised Muslim but converted to another religion?
As an Ex-muslim, I generally squint when I see someone change religion from Islam to another religion. Most of the Ex-muslims I know of go Atheist afterward though.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:25 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
It's always the Muslims' fault. No matter what.
I'm glad we agree on something.


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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:25 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It is only impossible if people refuse to accept each other. Like having "against white people" in your signature, for instance.


Acceptance is impossible. The only possible solution is seclusion.

Not really, no. I personally would not like to leave the country I consider home just because some people think Muslims and Christians must hate each other, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who agree.
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Postby Greater Arab State » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:27 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Acceptance is impossible. The only possible solution is seclusion.

Not really, no. I personally would not like to leave the country I consider home just because some people think Muslims and Christians must hate each other, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who agree.

I for one fully agree.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:29 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Acceptance is impossible. The only possible solution is seclusion.

Not really, no. I personally would not like to leave the country I consider home just because some people think Muslims and Christians must hate each other, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who agree.


But if you are European you don't have to leave. It's your country after all.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:31 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not really, no. I personally would not like to leave the country I consider home just because some people think Muslims and Christians must hate each other, and I'm sure there's a lot of people who agree.


But if you are European you don't have to leave. It's your country after all.

"Either Muslims colonize Europe, or they should get out of it" Quote: You.

So what now?
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:31 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
But if you are European you don't have to leave. It's your country after all.

"Either Muslims colonize Europe, or they should get out of it" Quote: You.

So what now?


I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:34 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:"Either Muslims colonize Europe, or they should get out of it" Quote: You.

So what now?


I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.

At this point, I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and correct the main mistake in here.

Until then, what about Muslim Europeans? They actually exist.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.

At this point, I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and correct the main mistake in here.


What mistake?


Until then, what about Muslim Europeans? They actually exist.


I feel bad for them.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:36 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:"Either Muslims colonize Europe, or they should get out of it" Quote: You.

So what now?


I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.
I would like to point out that Muslims colonizing Europe is almost as feasible as the Aztecs or the Cherokees colonizing Europe. It's not going to happen.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:37 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.

At this point, I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and correct the main mistake in here.

Until then, what about Muslim Europeans? They actually exist.

Seems hypocritical to be upset about European colonialism then turn around and say Muslims should colonize Europe.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I was talking about Muslims. If Muslims fail to colonize Europe, it's better for Muslims to leave.
I would like to point out that Muslims colonizing Europe is almost as feasible as the Aztecs or the Cherokees colonizing Europe. It's not going to happen.


But in the other thread about Denmark you were complaining yourself about the threat of an Islamic take-over of the West.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:38 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:At this point, I'm just waiting for someone to jump in and correct the main mistake in here.


What mistake?


Until then, what about Muslim Europeans? They actually exist.


I feel bad for them.

That I converted to Islam.

Do they have to leave?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:39 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I would like to point out that Muslims colonizing Europe is almost as feasible as the Aztecs or the Cherokees colonizing Europe. It's not going to happen.


But in the other thread about Denmark you were complaining yourself about the threat of an Islamic take-over of the West.

Colonization =/= takeover

Colonization would necessitate that Muslims build colonies in the place, and get higher rights in the territory through conquest. What you're looking for is them mass murdering the people of Europe because they're radical fundamentalists. (Which... I also didn't call 'Muslim Takeover' and complain about? wtf? would you show me an example?)
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:40 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
What mistake?




I feel bad for them.

That I converted to Islam.

Do they have to leave?


European Muslims are Muslims just like any other Muslim.

They too will be persecuted when Alt-Righters will take over Europe.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:41 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That I converted to Islam.

Do they have to leave?


European Muslims are Muslims just like any other Muslim.

They too will be persecuted when Alt-Righters will take over Europe.

Alt-righters won't take over Europe.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:42 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
European Muslims are Muslims just like any other Muslim.

They too will be persecuted when Alt-Righters will take over Europe.

Alt-righters won't take over Europe.


Oh, I wish I was as optimist as you.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:43 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
European Muslims are Muslims just like any other Muslim.

They too will be persecuted when Alt-Righters will take over Europe.

Alt-righters won't take over Europe.

They already are, though.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:43 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Alt-righters won't take over Europe.


Oh, I wish I was as optimist as you.

You're a pessimist who believes everything sensationalist news tells you, gauging by your posts.
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Postby Geneviev » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:45 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Alt-righters won't take over Europe.


Oh, I wish I was as optimist as you.

It's not optimism.
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Postby Greater Arab State » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:48 pm

United States of Oceania wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Alt-righters won't take over Europe.


Oh, I wish I was as optimist as you.

It's not optimism as such but rather looking at the historical context of Europe and logically deducing from both history and current events that it is unlikely for the Alt-Right to take power in Europe.
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