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by Benevolent Thomas » Mon May 21, 2018 8:40 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed May 23, 2018 2:41 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Jakker wrote:I have yet to begin the process of approaching previous judges and current members in regards to this.
More than one of us have publicly stated that we'd like to see him removed. Over a year ago. Perhaps those of us former judges who aren't on the record regarding this issue yet could state their opinions here. Jakker is a busy dude, let's make this easy for him.
by RiderSyl » Wed May 23, 2018 3:38 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I've actually changed my view on this. Since we no longer impose consequences on people for wrongdoing, I think Gest should remain in the Hall of Fame.
Jakker wrote:Being DOS does not automatically disqualify a player from being considered. Not all DOSers are the same, especially when looking at raiders from the early days. Each case is situational and up to the judges at the time to decide a player's overall portfolio and their contributions to raiding.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri May 25, 2018 12:52 am
RiderSyl wrote:Cormactopia Prime wrote:I've actually changed my view on this. Since we no longer impose consequences on people for wrongdoing, I think Gest should remain in the Hall of Fame.
Okay then Cormac.Jakker wrote:Being DOS does not automatically disqualify a player from being considered. Not all DOSers are the same, especially when looking at raiders from the early days. Each case is situational and up to the judges at the time to decide a player's overall portfolio and their contributions to raiding.
I never realized you were such a bureaucrat.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat May 26, 2018 4:33 am
by Jakker » Sat May 26, 2018 10:25 am
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Jakker » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:47 pm
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by NOrTh pAcIfiC spY » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:31 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:48 am
NOrTh pAcIfiC spY wrote:Not sure if I like the precedence of removing inductees. What happens, do the mentions just get struck through?
NOrTh pAcIfiC spY wrote:Personally, I think he deserved his place, and the awards shouldn't have bended over to some NSGPers. Obviously a lot of others have a different view, but Gest led the biggest raiding org of its time, and DEN still was the biggest raider org in modern NS.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Glacikaldr » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:10 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:-snip-
by Jakker » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:37 am
NOrTh pAcIfiC spY wrote:Personally, I think he deserved his place, and the awards shouldn't have bended over to some NSGPers. Obviously a lot of others have a different view, but Gest led the biggest raiding org of its time, and DEN still was the biggest raider org in modern NS.
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by RiderSyl » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:22 pm
Jakker wrote:I'll quote what one of the people I reached out said:
"None of this means Gest didn't do the impressive things he did to get into the Raider Hall of Fame. I wouldn't even say this pattern of behavior negates the actions that got him into the Hall of Fame. I would say that Gest's behavior outweighs any meritorious actions that got him into the Hall of Fame."
by Benevolent Thomas » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:02 pm
What happened to both TBR AND DEN under his leadership... both got annihilated for cheating. His legacy is one of fraud. He helped build an invader empire on the back of illegal programs, putting his own allies in jeopardy. That is not leadership.
I am AGAINST keeping him in the raider hall of fame.
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Wabbitslayah » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:06 pm
NOrTh pAcIfiC spY wrote:Not sure if I like the precedence of removing inductees. What happens, do the mentions just get struck through?
Personally, I think he deserved his place, and the awards shouldn't have bended over to some NSGPers. Obviously a lot of others have a different view, but Gest led the biggest raiding org of its time, and DEN still was the biggest raider org in modern NS.
by Consular » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:37 am
by Jakker » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:01 am
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Carolus Rex Francae » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:07 pm
-Me, last year. That nomination will be renewed.I nominate Jakker.
Jakker has led multiple operations as point or trigger for the Black Hawks, among which (excluding those mentioned in Security Council 112) is the recent operation on Esquarium (wherein his nation, Rediar, which is "Raider" in reverse, went unnoticed by defenders). In addition to this, he has led the Black Hawks for a long time, most notably as Field Marshal from November 24, 2011 to August 16, 2012, and as Head of Military from then until October 15, 2013. Since then, whether on the Council Advisory board, or as Foreign Affairs Director for The Black Hawks, Jakker has played a large role in PR for The Black Hawks. Additionally, Jakker has stayed active in raiding to this day, including in recent tag raids led by other hawks.
As an aside, Jakker never ceases to amaze me with his calmness, graciousness, and willingess to talk to anyone, at any time. If there's anyone who deserves the honor of being inducted this year, it's Jakker.
by Scardino » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:11 am
Carolus Rex Francae wrote:-Me, last year. That nomination will be renewed.I nominate Jakker.
Jakker has led multiple operations as point or trigger for the Black Hawks, among which (excluding those mentioned in Security Council 112) is the recent operation on Esquarium (wherein his nation, Rediar, which is "Raider" in reverse, went unnoticed by defenders). In addition to this, he has led the Black Hawks for a long time, most notably as Field Marshal from November 24, 2011 to August 16, 2012, and as Head of Military from then until October 15, 2013. Since then, whether on the Council Advisory board, or as Foreign Affairs Director for The Black Hawks, Jakker has played a large role in PR for The Black Hawks. Additionally, Jakker has stayed active in raiding to this day, including in recent tag raids led by other hawks.
As an aside, Jakker never ceases to amaze me with his calmness, graciousness, and willingess to talk to anyone, at any time. If there's anyone who deserves the honor of being inducted this year, it's Jakker.
by Wabbitslayah » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:53 am
by Devi Vytherin » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:47 am
by Cormactopia Prime » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:51 am
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