Kvatchdom wrote:Women can get in the military here, though it's rare for them to pass the testing. The ones who do though are pretty badass. One climbed up a tree with a saw in their mouth.
Where is 'here' for you?
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by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:11 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Women can get in the military here, though it's rare for them to pass the testing. The ones who do though are pretty badass. One climbed up a tree with a saw in their mouth.
by The East Marches II » Wed May 16, 2018 9:12 pm
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:12 pm
by Oil exporting People » Wed May 16, 2018 9:12 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Have men do the evacuation lifting.
Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:12 pm
New Emeline wrote:There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.
by Luminesa » Wed May 16, 2018 9:13 pm
Herskerstad wrote:Genivaria wrote:Also you can really abuse the Reformed mechanics by turning the war focus on only during battles which saves your points.
Protestants and others have a cool down period.
Yup, though if you are a true reformed you need to invade Armenia. Only people with some theological thrift will understand that joke.
by The East Marches II » Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm
Oil exporting People wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Have men do the evacuation lifting.
What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.
I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.
Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.
by Oil exporting People » Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:New Emeline wrote:There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.
You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.
by New Emeline » Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:15 pm
Oil exporting People wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Have men do the evacuation lifting.
What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.
I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.
Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.
by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:16 pm
by The East Marches II » Wed May 16, 2018 9:18 pm
Genivaria wrote:Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:19 pm
Genivaria wrote:Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:21 pm
by The East Marches II » Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Genivaria wrote:Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.
Hey, conscription might help with that.
by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 pm
Kvatchdom wrote:Genivaria wrote:Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.
Hey, conscription might help with that.
by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:23 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Hey, conscription might help with that.
Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.
by Kvatchdom » Wed May 16, 2018 9:23 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Hey, conscription might help with that.
Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.
by Zanera » Wed May 16, 2018 9:24 pm
Oil exporting People wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Have men do the evacuation lifting.
What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.
I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.
Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.
by The East Marches II » Wed May 16, 2018 9:25 pm
Genivaria wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.
Even the fucking Chinese had to keep dropping their standards for conscription because so many young men failed the physical requirements.
by Aillyria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm
New Emeline wrote:There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:27 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Genivaria wrote:Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.
He is 110% correct that it is a national security issue
First of all, 75% or more a little bit more actually of the civilians who wanted to join the Army were not qualified to do so. 75% of the 17-24 year olds who wanted to join the Army were not qualified and the number one reason was because they were obese. Of the 25% that could join the Army what we found on the first day of basic training was that about 60% of them could not pass the PT test that we gave on the first day. And that was: one minute of push-ups, one minute of sit-ups and a one-mile run.
by Genivaria » Wed May 16, 2018 9:28 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Genivaria wrote:Even the fucking Chinese had to keep dropping their standards for conscription because so many young men failed the physical requirements.
There is no surprise there tbh. My High School's gym time was really productive and helped people stay fit. Perhaps something national like that should be looked into. Or if you stay fit between a conscriptable age, you get Uncle Sugar covering your healthcare.
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