by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:44 am
by Bruke » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:47 am
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:55 am
Bruke wrote:"Ambassador, what would you consider to be religious influence in secular schools, and why do you think this is such a pervasive problem as to require the involvement of the World Assembly?"
by The First German Order » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:13 am
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:17 am
The First German Order wrote:“With all due respect, ambassador, I fail to see how this is of international importance.”
by The First German Order » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:15 am
Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:The First German Order wrote:“With all due respect, ambassador, I fail to see how this is of international importance.”
“If nations are meant to provide opportunities or freedom to people on their own peacefully do you fully expect them to do it on their own accord, with respect my fellow ambassador, Education affects everyone, the protection of citizens from possible opression by nations is precisely what the WA works against “
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:26 am
The First German Order wrote:Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:
“If nations are meant to provide opportunities or freedom to people on their own peacefully do you fully expect them to do it on their own accord, with respect my fellow ambassador, Education affects everyone, the protection of citizens from possible opression by nations is precisely what the WA works against “
“I get that, but education is a national problem, not an international problem. I fail to see how forcing citizens to learn a nation’s religion in school is oppression. You don’t, and most likely won’t, have our delegation’s support on this proposal, ambassador.”
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by Kenmoria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 am
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by The First German Order » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 am
Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:The First German Order wrote:“I get that, but education is a national problem, not an international problem. I fail to see how forcing citizens to learn a nation’s religion in school is oppression. You don’t, and most likely won’t, have our delegation’s support on this proposal, ambassador.”
“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“
by Greater Hellenic Byzantium » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:22 am
by Desmosthenes and Burke » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:27 am
The First German Order wrote:Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:
“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“
“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”
GA 80 wrote:1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
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• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
Greater Hellenic Byzantium wrote:“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:04 am
The First German Order wrote:Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:
“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“
“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:06 am
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:The First German Order wrote:“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”
"We wish to draw all delegates' attention to GA80. We are not sure what this proposal does that exceeds the mandates of the prior resolution. We also draw attention to clause 1, bulletin 7 which states:GA 80 wrote:1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
...
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
We are of the opinion that this is effectively an affirmative requirement that educational institutions provide instruction in the majority religion, its customs, practices, rituals, etc. of a nation, and at least some of those things as they are in other nations. We are unsure of how a policy affirmatively requiring instruction in the Pantheon, the exploits of Iove, Aeneas, and Heracles, and the rights and observances of festivals such as Saturnalia could be accorded to an institution that is not influenced by those practices.Greater Hellenic Byzantium wrote:“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”
Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:22 am
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:The First German Order wrote:“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”
"We wish to draw all delegates' attention to GA80. We are not sure what this proposal does that exceeds the mandates of the prior resolution. We also draw attention to clause 1, bulletin 7 which states:GA 80 wrote:1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
...
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
We are of the opinion that this is effectively an affirmative requirement that educational institutions provide instruction in the majority religion, its customs, practices, rituals, etc. of a nation, and at least some of those things as they are in other nations. We are unsure of how a policy affirmatively requiring instruction in the Pantheon, the exploits of Iove, Aeneas, and Heracles, and the rights and observances of festivals such as Saturnalia could be accorded to an institution that is not influenced by those practices.Greater Hellenic Byzantium wrote:“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”
Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.
by Greater Hellenic Byzantium » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:28 am
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote: Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.
by The First German Order » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:38 am
Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:The First German Order wrote:“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”
The bill is not about religion be taught in school, it is about religious institutions being the only option in some states
by Alsace and Lorraine United » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:01 am
The First German Order wrote:Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:
The bill is not about religion be taught in school, it is about religious institutions being the only option in some states
“If a nation wants its public education system to be its educational system as well, it should be able to. That is not oppressive in any way.”
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:11 am
by Kenmoria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:57 am
by Masurbia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:01 pm
Alsace and Lorraine United wrote:ESTABLISHES The Public Education Integrity Committee (PEIC),
TASKS the PEIC with ensuring that nations provide their citizens with secular Education opportunities as well as ensuring that the education received in secular school is of quality and effectiveness
by Kenmoria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:08 pm
by Grays Harbor » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:10 pm
by Tinfect » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:06 pm
Grays Harbor wrote:Religious education does not automatically equal "Bad"
Grays Harbor wrote:Secular education does not automatically equal "good"
Grays Harbor wrote:This despite your trying to paint it as such. You rail against "religious education" and their insidious methods of forcing viewpoints and religion, all while trying to mandate an institutional indoctrination program against religion.
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