Imperializt Russia wrote:Well, then Mr. Evans wouldn't get to pay a Vatican hospital thousands of euros to---
oh.
The hospital is offering to provide care for free.
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by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:27 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Well, then Mr. Evans wouldn't get to pay a Vatican hospital thousands of euros to---
oh.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:29 am
Mechaniza wrote:Is it humane to cut life support for someone who is only technically alive? In my opinion, Absolutely.
Should the government do it? In my opinion, No.
In my opinion, the government shouldn't interfere with personal issues like keeping your son on life support.
My own decision would be to do what the government is doing. His brain is water and proteins and he should be put to rest. It's a waste of money and resources to keep him "alive".
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:31 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Mechaniza wrote:Is it humane to cut life support for someone who is only technically alive? In my opinion, Absolutely.
Should the government do it? In my opinion, No.
In my opinion, the government shouldn't interfere with personal issues like keeping your son on life support.
My own decision would be to do what the government is doing. His brain is water and proteins and he should be put to rest. It's a waste of money and resources to keep him "alive".
The hospital made the decision, the parents disagreed, they have essentially arbitrated in the criminal courts and the court sided with the hospital and their medical expertise.
The state has not "ordered Alfie's death", it isn't "performing the execution".
by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:35 am
After Pope Francis met with Thomas Evans, Alfies father, the Vatican’s Secretary of State communicated to Dr Mariella Enoc the Pope’s desire that she to do everything possible to bring Alfie to the Rome-based Bambino Gesu pediactric hospital.
Dr Enoc says that the medical staff of Bambino Gesu has been in close contact since last July with the hospital in Liverpool where the 23-month old is currently hospitalized with a rare degenerative brain disease.
After meeting with Alfie’s father on Wednesday, Dr Enoc was struck by his determination to do everything possible to help his son.
In a letter she wrote to the Pope, Dr Enoc expresses her great esteem for the doctors and staff caring for Alfie in Alder Hey Children's Hospital in Liverpool.
What is not being proposed, she says, is to cure Alfie, since his condition is not curable, but to care for him.
Possible treatment could include basic hydration, and a tracheotomy to help him breathe. In addition, it might be possible to identify his illness.
Dr Enoc emphasized that all costs of transport and treatment would be covered by the Bambino Gesu hospital.
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:35 am
Auralia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The hospital made the decision, the parents disagreed, they have essentially arbitrated in the criminal courts and the court sided with the hospital and their medical expertise.
The state has not "ordered Alfie's death", it isn't "performing the execution".
The state is not simply refusing to provide adequate care -- it is also prohibiting Alfie's transport to another jurisdiction to receive such care.
by Skylus » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 am
by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:37 am
Ifreann wrote:The NHS is providing adequate care.
by Lavan Tiri » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:38 am
Auralia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The hospital made the decision, the parents disagreed, they have essentially arbitrated in the criminal courts and the court sided with the hospital and their medical expertise.
The state has not "ordered Alfie's death", it isn't "performing the execution".
The state is not simply refusing to provide adequate care -- it is also prohibiting Alfie's transport to another jurisdiction to receive such care.
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by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:39 am
by Lavan Tiri » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:41 am
Skylus wrote:Donate his body to science.
Therefore whatever this disease is (was) can somehow be studied (if it can even be studied at this point)
I bet it's something like his own body eating itself or something.
Actually that sounds horrifying.
But that might be what it is. Maybe.
I'm no medical expert, I'm still in High School.
Big Jim P wrote:I like the way you think.
Constaniana wrote:Ah, so you were dropped on your head. This explains a lot.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Snarky bastard.
The Grey Wolf wrote:You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:I'm not sure whether to laugh because thIs is the best satire I've ever seen or be very very afraid because someone actually thinks all this so.... have a cookie?
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by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:42 am
Lavan Tiri wrote:Auralia wrote:The state is not simply refusing to provide adequate care -- it is also prohibiting Alfie's transport to another jurisdiction to receive such care.
Can he really be properly cared for now? His brain is fucking gone--what chance at living anything resembling a life does he have? Let the poor baby go in peace. If my kid or my baby brother were so far gone that they had no chance of having a life outside a hospital room, no chance of ever being conscious, I'd want their plug pulled. It's cruel to keep the kid alive anymore, because he isn't living in anything besides a technical sense.
by British Empire » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:44 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:46 am
British Empire wrote:Interesting that the father's gone from stabbing a 14 year old (who was then saved by Alder Hey) to accusing the hospital of murder and using "thou shalt not kill" as an argument in court.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:51 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:54 am
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:55 am
Auralia wrote:Ifreann wrote:The NHS is providing adequate care.
I think it's clear that we disagree about what constitutes adequate care. I hold that providing food, water, and oxygen -- so long as it can be metabolized by the patient -- is always obligatory, and refusal to provide such is tantamount to euthanasia. You clearly do not.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:08 am
Auralia wrote:Ifreann wrote:The NHS is providing adequate care.
I think it's clear that we disagree about what constitutes adequate care. I hold that providing food, water, and oxygen -- so long as it can be metabolized by the patient -- is always obligatory, and refusal to provide such is tantamount to euthanasia. You clearly do not.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:15 am
Auralia wrote:Ifreann wrote:The NHS is providing adequate care.
I think it's clear that we disagree about what constitutes adequate care. I hold that providing food, water, and oxygen -- so long as it can be metabolized by the patient -- is always obligatory, and refusal to provide such is tantamount to euthanasia. You clearly do not.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by British Empire » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:36 am
by Kramanica » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:42 am
by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:45 am
Kramanica wrote:Right now they're currently providing him with no care except a bed to die in.
by Kramanica » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:46 am
Auralia wrote:Kramanica wrote:Right now they're currently providing him with no care except a bed to die in.
They "reluctantly gave in to continued requests and provided some hydration and oxygen support" once he didn't die like he was supposed to.
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