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What stance do you take on immigration?

1 - Full open borders. Sweden's Feminist Initiative model. Which involves doing all one can to prevent deportation of even alien criminal elements as they remain the responsibility of the country they find themselves in.
52
6%
2 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Multicultural model.
126
15%
3 - Full open borders with border security, checks and potential for deportation of harsher criminal immigrant elements. Melting-pot model.
176
22%
4 - Limited open borders that sets priories solely on the nations labour requirements.
72
9%
5 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Multicultural model.
35
4%
6 - Limited open borders that prioritises only high skilled labour. Melting-pot model.
204
25%
7 - Closed borders. Only temporary green-cards, tourism and visas. No other forms of citizenship.
76
9%
8 - Fully closed borders.
36
4%
9 - Fully closed borders. No legal emigration.
39
5%
 
Total votes : 816

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:35 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:I am opposed to individualism as I understand the term. An individual does not need to consent to any social contract and duty is not voluntary. The family, not the individual, is the basic building stone of society.

I concur with all of this and with the subsequent statement.

The Parkus Empire wrote:In truth I don't think anything can be done. The left have shot themselves in the foot by their support for open borders. Trump and Brexit should have been a major wakeup call, but it looks like they are in denial of the situation. Eventually there will be a backlash and tyranny will reign. All our cherished rights will stripped away (at least in Europe but quite possibly here too) by a government that people will support because the "managerial state" has proven to be deaf to the existential panic caused among natives by rampant immigration

We have immigration scares on a periodic basis and they're generally exaggerated. At the moment, perhaps 12.5% of the American population consists of immigrants. This is a good deal lower than the 15% they comprised in 1910. I would argue the principal difference is that they emerge from nations with a common language and political culture, specifically Latin American nations to the south of our border.

The solution is to intermarry with them and assimilate them into mainstream Anglophone society as a concerted social movement. This is already happening on a gradual basis. My mother was Mexican, and I've been thoroughly Americanized. I'm bilingual, but prefer English. I wholly embrace American traditions. I read Walt Whitman and George Santayana. I participate in all mainstream institutions. This process is substantially helped by the fact that Latin American culture still experienced the Enlightenment and is still predominantly Western.

In countries like Sweden (20%) or the UAE (over 70%), where immigrants usually come from radically different cultures, where they aren't assimilating, and where they represent more than twenty percent of the population, this might become problematic. At the moment, in country's where instability might be risked, halting or at least severely restricting immigration, deporting immigrants who commit crime or who don't work steadily, and encouraging integration might suffice.

Of course, cracking down on the far-right is always an option too. They're threats to the social order too, and more deliberate and pressing threats.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My God, what is everyone's problem with individual rights?

None of the American conservatives have an issue with individual rights as stipulated by the Constitution. The critique of unencumbered individualism has nothing to do with a principled opposition to individual rights. Observing that certain elements of liberalism are caustic to American society, which through its institutions, laws, and values has given you those rights, is not a rejection of individual rights but rather a validation of them.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:37 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'll just do this for all of you:

TEM - Titoism
CM - Neoliberalism
Gen - French Republicanism between the Franco-Prussian War and the Algerian War
Parkus - Victorian-style conservatism
Lumi - don't know enough about her political views
Aillyria - Iron-Guard style fascism


Y E S


The Parkus Empire wrote:Rei - Japanese Imperialist: "Killing is aesthetic."
Lumi - Spanish Inquisition: "Love me some coffee while I torture :3"
DI - Nazi: "Genocide is a form of snark."
TEM - KKK: "I'm not THAT colorful."
CM - Democrat: "Equal rights for everyone!"
Aillyria - Taliban: "Only the of the blood of the infidel can morally rejuvenate the human race."
Genivaria - Fascist: "I prefer totalitarian-corporatist-militarist-expansionist."
UMN - Stalinist: "With Tsarist leanings."


TEM ON SUICIDE WATCH, BTFO

Bienenhalde wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Daily Reminder: Spergler was right, he was just wrong about why he hated the Anglo, the very criticisms he levied are why they are your friend


No, Spengler was completely right. The capitalist system of the eternal Anglo must be overthrown.


You take that back right now. The ANGLO is your greatest ally.

Spergler wrote:....
The peculiarly English style of politics is
essentially one that involves private citizens or groups of such individuals. This, and only
this, is the very meaning of parliamentary government. Cecil Rhodes was a private
citizen who conquered foreign countries. The American billionaires are private citizens
who rule foreign countries by means of an inferior class of professional politicians.
German liberalism, on the other hand, is ethically valueless. It merely says "No!" to the
state, and is unable to justify its opposition by offering equally high-minded and vigorous
positive suggestions.

....In this view, work is in itself morally good. To
the Englishman and American, moral success is contained in the goal of work, in
success, money, wealth. Work is merely a path toward these goals, to be chosen with
special consideration of its comfort and security. Obviously, conflict is unavoidable on
the path to success, but the Puritan conscience can justify any means. Whoever stands in
the way is simply pushed aside — individuals, whole classes, whole nations. That, after
all, is the will of God. It is easy to see how such ideas, once applied in real life, can bring
a nation to the very greatest heights of achievement.

....
The English party leader goes about his nation's business
as a private individual. When he meets with political success he declares that "England"
was behind his policies. When his policies, though successful, involve dealings that are
diplomatically or morally embarrassing, he resigns from his post, whereupon the nation
admonishes him with puritanical severity for his lack of manners, and by applauding his
resignation rejects the uncomfortable consequences of his actions. Yet all the while the
nation thanks God for the grace He has bestowed on England by this politician's
successful work.


Whats not to like :^]]]]

He is right though that we went wrong by no longer having real Englishmen behind our system. Immigration was a terrible mistake, especially the Catholics.

Luminesa wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>His internet history doesn't generate recommendations in various Balkan languages


> Implying his extensive collection of photos of womens’ ankles isn’t absolutely degenerate.

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DELET THIS RIGHT NOW, UNCALLED FOR BULLY
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:43 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'll just do this for all of you:

TEM - Titoism
CM - Neoliberalism
Gen - French Republicanism between the Franco-Prussian War and the Algerian War
Parkus - Victorian-style conservatism
Lumi - don't know enough about her political views
Aillyria - Iron-Guard style fascism

F R E E T R A D E
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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'll just do this for all of you:

TEM - Titoism
CM - Neoliberalism
Gen - French Republicanism between the Franco-Prussian War and the Algerian War
Parkus - Victorian-style conservatism
Lumi - don't know enough about her political views
Aillyria - Iron-Guard style fascism

F R E E T R A D E

I feel excluded. :(

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Postby Reikoku » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:45 am

The Cosmic Frankish Empire wrote:White Nationalism is the answer. Either that or this society goes down the drain.


“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:48 am

Reikoku wrote:
The Cosmic Frankish Empire wrote:White Nationalism is the answer. Either that or this society goes down the drain.


“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”

White nationalism isn't even a legitimate nationalism. Race and nation aren't synonymous.

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Postby Reikoku » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:51 am

Fahran wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”

White nationalism isn't even a legitimate nationalism. Race and nation aren't synonymous.


Indeed, it's always been confusing to me why they called themselves nationalists. Probably because of their admiration for far-right nationalist movements such as Nazism and Fascism.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:52 am

Fahran wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”

White nationalism isn't even a legitimate nationalism. Race and nation aren't synonymous.

Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as nationalism and everything is a spook
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:53 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Fahran wrote:White nationalism isn't even a legitimate nationalism. Race and nation aren't synonymous.

Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as nationalism and everything is a spook

I don't recognize what you're saying - language is a spook
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as nationalism and everything is a spook

I don't recognize what you're saying - language is a spook


What are we even doing? NS is a spook.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:56 am

Reikoku wrote:
The Cosmic Frankish Empire wrote:White Nationalism is the answer. Either that or this society goes down the drain.


“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”


Finns are honorary aryans, the rest aren't. Especially the Italians.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:59 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as nationalism and everything is a spook

I don't recognize what you're saying - language is a spook

-> = (/) [] * [||]<3 & (.'.'.) = ( -- )
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:03 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Unpopular opinion: there's no such thing as nationalism and everything is a spook

I don't recognize what you're saying - language is a spook


*wittgenstein intensifies*
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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:07 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I don't recognize what you're saying - language is a spook


*wittgenstein intensifies*

I approve.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:09 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
“First issue of the First American Reich: are Italians/Poles/Finns/Greeks white?”


Finns are honorary aryans, the rest aren't. Especially the Italians.

You make Mussolini sad.

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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:11 am

Genivaria wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Finns are honorary aryans, the rest aren't. Especially the Italians.

You make Mussolini sad.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:12 am


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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:17 am

Genivaria wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Finns are honorary aryans, the rest aren't. Especially the Italians.

You make Mussolini sad.


Mussolini and this shit is exactly why they don't get declared white.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:18 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You make Mussolini sad.


Mussolini and this shit is exactly why they don't get declared white.

There are better examples, like the clusterfuck that was the invasion of Ethiopia.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:22 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:>open borders has nothing to do with liberalism and capitalism


Open borders is merely a system of the underlying problem. Many populists do not necessarily seem to understand this, unfortunately.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:27 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:>open borders has nothing to do with liberalism and capitalism


Open borders is merely a system of the underlying problem. Many populists do not necessarily seem to understand this, unfortunately.

The underlying problem's not liberalism.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:31 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You make Mussolini sad.


Mussolini and this shit is exactly why they don't get declared white.

> When you lose to an army a fifth your size because you can’t position your troops properly.

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Postby Luminesa » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:36 am


They blame it solely on Trump becoming president but then mention various candidates mentioned were also embroiled in sex scandals. So clearly Trump has control over what all these people do. *Thonk.*

While I can see multiple reasons for the Republicans not getting as many votes, I would have titled the article differently.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:41 am

Luminesa wrote:

> When you lose to an army a fifth your size because you can’t position your troops properly.

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF FASCIST ITALY.


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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:53 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> When you lose to an army a fifth your size because you can’t position your troops properly.

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF FASCIST ITALY.


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