Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Cekoviu]

Is it really so hard to just move to the right thread? Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=402223

[Sovaal]

>> thinking incels aren't part of the MRA movement

lol

And radfems are No True Feminists

I mean I really don’t have a s take in this but why does one group get the crazies but not the other?

[Conserative Morality]

Is it really so hard to just move to the right thread? Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=402223

- anti-feminist rants (go make your own damn thread for that)

Ostro's out of luck, then.

[Conserative Morality]

I mean I really don’t have a s take in this but why does one group get the crazies but not the other?

Because some people don't like admitting that their movement has problematic groups within it. It's why I lament that SJWs are on 'my side', rather than denying that they're an offshoot of the progressive movement. I prefer to avoid such foolishness.

[Ostroeuropa]

I mean I really don’t have a s take in this but why does one group get the crazies but not the other?

Because some people don't like admitting that their movement has problematic groups within it. It's why I lament that SJWs are on 'my side', rather than denying that they're an offshoot of the progressive movement. I prefer to avoid such foolishness.

There's problem MRAs. it's just not the red pillers. Their discourse is seperate, distinct both currently and historically, and has no overlapping principles.

The problem MRAs are the Libertarian branch, The Straughan crowd since she decided to align that way. (To be fair, they'd say the socialist/social democrat side are the problem.)

There's the trans exclusionary problem.

There's the MGTOW-MRAs who go in for the higher tiers of that ideology rather than the positive affirmations of the first few tiers. (This is your lesbian separatist scale.)

There's the Elamites and their shock jockey bullshit.

There's others too.

[Dumb Ideologies]

"Prove group A = group B"

"Here's the reddit for group C".

CM you naughty naughty boy. No biscuit for you!

>> implying Red Pillers aren't a subset of MRAs

And I guess TERFs aren't really feminists either.

Tell me, when the People's Front of Judea splits from the Judean People's Front, does that make the former no longer an independence movement for Judea?

TERFs are feminists because they argue from a feminist position, their other gender politics come from a feminist background, share common ideological principles, they call themselves feminists, and they mix in circles with other feminists.

On the People's Front of Judea, if the group splits three ways with one wanting equality within the Roman Empire, another wanting to find ways to subjugate Rome, and the third wanting independence but also a big pillow fort meaning no Romans can come in ever, then yes. If they share few common principles and hate each other it's a bit different to the spectrum of overt and covert TERFism embedded in most women's organizations and activist groups.

But jeez that was a shonky sequence of analogies. I'm gonna dip my head into some alphabet soup until I can construct normal sentences again.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43891929

Corbyn snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

He can't be seen as a bleeding heart on this issue. He should explain why in practical terms the laws are ridiculous and propose constructive alternatives.

[Cekoviu]

Is it really so hard to just move to the right thread? Here's the link: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=402223

- anti-feminist rants (go make your own damn thread for that)

Ostro's out of luck, then.

Eh, have him make a thread then. Just get it out of here.

[The East Marches II]

If you sincerely believe that the other architects of the UN would believe in things like free speech and free expression, then I'm sorry, but that's wrong. We need only look to Mr. Nazi pug or many other trash memes to come out of Europe to see the blatant lie of what you just said. They don't have a culture understanding of it.

That kind of freeze peach is bad meme in and of itself, and anyone with "dank" in their screename unironically deserves fines or prison time.

That kind of freeze peach matters. Don't worry though Varifell, I'll be sure to use that in the future in other debates against you :^)

[Ostroeuropa]

That kind of freeze peach is bad meme in and of itself, and anyone with "dank" in their screename unironically deserves fines or prison time.

That kind of freeze peach matters. Don't worry though Varifell, I'll be sure to use that in the future in other debates against you :^)

Forcing radical elements to code their language and avoid being direct about what they are saying isn't helpful to reducing those tendencies imo.

[Valrifell]

That kind of freeze peach is bad meme in and of itself, and anyone with "dank" in their screename unironically deserves fines or prison time.

That kind of freeze peach matters. Don't worry though Varifell, I'll be sure to use that in the future in other debates against you :^)

I don't view these as "debates," though.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have assholes like that anyway.

[The East Marches II]

That kind of freeze peach matters. Don't worry though Varifell, I'll be sure to use that in the future in other debates against you :^)

Forcing radical elements to code their language and avoid being direct about what they are saying isn't helpful to reducing those tendencies imo.

It really does nothing, Dushan had good comments on this matter a long time ago. It makes the words venom and makes you look stupid. Its like what they do in China or did in the East Block. Once you code language, to the average person it looks retarded to start banning certain phrases. My favorite is when the Polish Communist government banned the phrase Blue Dwarfs or something like that. 10/10

[The East Marches II]

That kind of freeze peach matters. Don't worry though Varifell, I'll be sure to use that in the future in other debates against you :^)

I don't view these as "debates," though.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have assholes like that anyway.

We don't live in an ideal world and I am hurt that wouldn't think of our discussions as that. However, it seems like certain other posters, you too haven't learned the lesson of trusting that sort of power to government.

[Valrifell]

I don't view these as "debates," though.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have assholes like that anyway.

We don't live in an ideal world and I am hurt that wouldn't think of our discussions as that. However, it seems like certain other posters, you too haven't learned the lesson of trusting that sort of power to government.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the government to censor him like that. I'd prefer it be more a collective societal thing where "fighting words" are expanded to include justifying punching Nazis. That wouldn't carry in this case, granted, but I still think Mr. Nazi-Pug is an asshole.

[The East Marches II]

We don't live in an ideal world and I am hurt that wouldn't think of our discussions as that. However, it seems like certain other posters, you too haven't learned the lesson of trusting that sort of power to government.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the government to censor him like that. I'd prefer it be more a collective societal thing where "fighting words" are expanded to include justifying punching Nazis. That wouldn't carry in this case, granted, but I still think Mr. Nazi-Pug is an asshole.

Thats great, I look forward to a living document reinterpretation to be able to punch my political enemies too :^)

[Cekoviu]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want the government to censor him like that. I'd prefer it be more a collective societal thing where "fighting words" are expanded to include justifying punching Nazis. That wouldn't carry in this case, granted, but I still think Mr. Nazi-Pug is an asshole.

Thats great, I look forward to a living document reinterpretation to be able to punch my political enemies too :^)

No, you can only punch them if they're Nazis. =^]

[The East Marches II]

Thats great, I look forward to a living document reinterpretation to be able to punch my political enemies too :^)

No, you can only punch them if they're Nazis. =^]

I'm sorry, society has moved on and the laws change in interpretation, it applies to the left now :^]]]]]]

t. Supreme Court 2025

[Cekoviu]

No, you can only punch them if they're Nazis. =^]

I'm sorry, society has moved on and the laws change in interpretation, it applies to the left now :^]]]]]]

t. Supreme Court 2025

Nazis are left-wing anyway, so that's not a change =*}ε

[The East Marches II]

I'm sorry, society has moved on and the laws change in interpretation, it applies to the left now :^]]]]]]

t. Supreme Court 2025

Nazis are left-wing anyway, so that's not a change =*}ε

That is dangerous to be saying here, I wish you the best of luck but I can't save you from the mad that will now emerge. You're a brave woman but even I am not so bold as to say that here!

[Ostroeuropa]

Nazis are left-wing anyway, so that's not a change =*}ε

That is dangerous to be saying here, I wish you the best of luck but I can't save you from the mad that will now emerge. You're a brave man but even I am not so bold as to say that here!

The fasces cannot work its magic if you arrange the sticks vertical to eachother, they must be side by side as equals.

[Cekoviu]

Nazis are left-wing anyway, so that's not a change =*}ε

That is dangerous to be saying here, I wish you the best of luck but I can't save you from the mad that will now emerge. You're a brave man but even I am not so bold as to say that here!

I am prepared to go into the cold, dark night.
also, *woman

[The East Marches II]

That is dangerous to be saying here, I wish you the best of luck but I can't save you from the mad that will now emerge. You're a brave woman but even I am not so bold as to say that here!

I am prepared to go into the cold, dark night.
also, *woman

Fixed

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Because some people don't like admitting that their movement has problematic groups within it. It's why I lament that SJWs are on 'my side', rather than denying that they're an offshoot of the progressive movement. I prefer to avoid such foolishness.

There's problem MRAs. it's just not the red pillers. Their discourse is seperate, distinct both currently and historically, and has no overlapping principles.

The problem MRAs are the Libertarian branch, The Straughan crowd since she decided to align that way. (To be fair, they'd say the socialist/social democrat side are the problem.)

There's the trans exclusionary problem.

There's the MGTOW-MRAs who go in for the higher tiers of that ideology rather than the positive affirmations of the first few tiers. (This is your lesbian separatist scale.)

There's the Elamites and their shock jockey bullshit.

There's others too.

Why is the libertarian crowd a problem when mens rights activism isn't really an economic issue. I mean, to me, Men's Rights Activism is inherently individualist, as we're fighting for rights and not equality of outcome, so it seems completely compatible with libertarianism. Also, which of those groups do you think DoctorRandomercam would fit in, if any?

[Ostroeuropa]

There's problem MRAs. it's just not the red pillers. Their discourse is seperate, distinct both currently and historically, and has no overlapping principles.

The problem MRAs are the Libertarian branch, The Straughan crowd since she decided to align that way. (To be fair, they'd say the socialist/social democrat side are the problem.)

There's the trans exclusionary problem.

There's the MGTOW-MRAs who go in for the higher tiers of that ideology rather than the positive affirmations of the first few tiers. (This is your lesbian separatist scale.)

There's the Elamites and their shock jockey bullshit.

There's others too.

Why is the libertarian crowd a problem when mens rights activism isn't really an economic issue. I mean, to me, Men's Rights Activism is inherently individualist, as we're fighting for rights and not equality of outcome, so it seems completely compatible with libertarianism. Also, which of those groups do you think DoctorRandomercam would fit in, if any?

From my perspective the issues men face need substantial public investment and government regulation to fix. As I said, from your perspective I'm one of the problems.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If you sincerely believe that the other architects of the UN would believe in things like free speech and free expression, then I'm sorry, but that's wrong. We need only look to Mr. Nazi pug or many other trash memes to come out of Europe to see the blatant lie of what you just said. They don't have a culture understanding of it.

That kind of freeze peach is bad meme in and of itself, and anyone with "dank" in their screename unironically deserves fines or prison time.

Broke: Being worried that the UK is now arresting people for jokes.
Woke: "He deserved if because haha username, lol."