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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:32 am

You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:18 am

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There's a fundamental difference between the ability to live off 5% of $100 and 5% of $1,000,000,000 (for example). It's inherently unfair to ask someone to forsake their livelihood and someone else to forsake their third or fourth yacht, which is why taxes should be graduated.

Also bankrupting the the government is bad.


Its also stupid to have a super complex tax code. The Turks had the right idea in the 90s before they succumbed to the temptation of "fairness".


Note that graduated income tax does not necessarily mean "super complex." The tax code is complicated for a variety of other reasons, breaks, and exceptions. Factoring in income is relatively simple.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:23 am


Thus confirming that he did fire Comey because of the Russia investigation.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:22 am

Saiwania wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/12/trump-tpp-trade-pact-519128

Trump has broken a lot of promises, this is the biggest promise to be broken to date. He is officially wanting to get the US to rejoin TPP.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:48 am

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How can Judges allow that? They have to be in on the suppression.


Yeah its all part of some mass conspiracy. While I agree thats a horrible statement and proves that the intent is Judges interpret the law and they have a right to their opinions. You might disagree with them but that does not give you the right to make statements like that.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:McConnell won't bring legislation to protect Mueller to vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html

"I don't think he should fire Mueller and I don't think he's going to," he said in the interview. "So this is a piece of legislation that isn't necessary in my judgment."

Gilligan Cut to every major news outlet announcing that Donnie fired Mueller by Twitter.

Mind you, I am pretty sure this law was bipartisan. He threw a bipartisan law to the side.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:12 am

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Gilligan Cut to every major news outlet announcing that Donnie fired Mueller by Twitter.

Mind you, I am pretty sure this law was bipartisan. He threw a bipartisan law to the side.


Bipartisan and with wide-ranging popular support vs keeping Dear Leader happy.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:39 am

Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?


That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html

I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.


Senators leaving Tuesday's briefing seemed to indicate that Trump's isolationist impulses are going to win out, regardless of the consequences for US global influence, American national security interests or the fate of the region, where Iran is vying for larger influence and Russia has established itself as a power broker, edging out the US.
Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware left the meeting and told reporters, "The only thing worse than a bad plan on Syria is no plan on Syria, and the President and his administration have failed to deliver a coherent plan on the path forward."


So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:49 am

Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?


That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html

I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.


Senators leaving Tuesday's briefing seemed to indicate that Trump's isolationist impulses are going to win out, regardless of the consequences for US global influence, American national security interests or the fate of the region, where Iran is vying for larger influence and Russia has established itself as a power broker, edging out the US.
Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware left the meeting and told reporters, "The only thing worse than a bad plan on Syria is no plan on Syria, and the President and his administration have failed to deliver a coherent plan on the path forward."


So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!

But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?


That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html





So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!

But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s

Looks like WWIII is going to happen anyway
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:01 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s

Looks like WWIII is going to happen anyway

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:01 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?


That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html





So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!

But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s

So many flashbacks of Bernie people trying to get me to vote for Hillary for some reason...

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:50 am

Arlenton wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s

So many flashbacks of Bernie people trying to get me to vote for Hillary for some reason...


But you have your boy donnie.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:20 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Arlenton wrote:So many flashbacks of Bernie people trying to get me to vote for Hillary for some reason...


But you have your boy donnie.

This was back when Donnie was too much like Bernie for me, so I didn't vote for him.

Now he's a neocon so it's all good. :)

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:25 am

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But you have your boy donnie.

This was back when Donnie was too much like Bernie for me, so I didn't vote for him.

Now he's a neocon so it's all good. :)

You think he'll stay that way? Cute.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.

I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:52 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.

I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.

Where is Phittsburg? Never heard of this city. if he fires Mueller his Presidency is over.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.

I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.

Where his Phittsburg? Never heard of this city.

It's the gym district of Pittsburgh.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.

I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.

Where is Phittsburg? Never heard of this city. if he fires Mueller his Presidency is over.

Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.

Also, just a spelling mistake.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:08 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Where is Phittsburg? Never heard of this city. if he fires Mueller his Presidency is over.

Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.

Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.

Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.

Which I doubt. No one knows really. To say that Trump is going to fire Mueller tomorrow is like predicting the end of the world tomorrow.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:46 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.

Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.


Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.

With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:04 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.


Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.

With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.

I still have much doubt the meeting happens or North Korea denuclearizing. They would demand something like all troops leaving the DMZ which Trump would be dumb enough to oblige.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.

With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.

I still have much doubt the meeting happens or North Korea denuclearizing. They would demand something like all troops leaving the DMZ which Trump would be dumb enough to oblige.

Well it may not be a bad idea considering that both Koreas are likely to officially end their war.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.

With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.

I still have much doubt the meeting happens or North Korea denuclearizing. They would demand something like all troops leaving the DMZ which Trump would be dumb enough to oblige.


After Pompeo met with KJU this weekend in NK? That sure got my attention (since it's confirmed). Reminds me of the smell of Nixon's detente with Brezhnev in the Soviet Union and visiting China in 1972. Tricky Dick's success there spiked his popularity so hard he won 49 states later that November even after the whole Pentagon Papers thing and the break in of Daniel Elsberg's psychiatrist's office. Nixon really needed to save the opening of China for the fall of 1973 or spring of 1974 as to deflect the Watergate investigation in real time and maybe ride it out. I guess ol' Nixon just wasn't that smart. lol.
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