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by Eol Sha » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:32 am

by Valrifell » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:18 am
The East Marches II wrote:Valrifell wrote:
There's a fundamental difference between the ability to live off 5% of $100 and 5% of $1,000,000,000 (for example). It's inherently unfair to ask someone to forsake their livelihood and someone else to forsake their third or fourth yacht, which is why taxes should be graduated.
Also bankrupting the the government is bad.
Its also stupid to have a super complex tax code. The Turks had the right idea in the 90s before they succumbed to the temptation of "fairness".

by Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:23 am

by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:22 am
Saiwania wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/12/trump-tpp-trade-pact-519128
Trump has broken a lot of promises, this is the biggest promise to be broken to date. He is officially wanting to get the US to rejoin TPP.


by San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:48 am
The Flutterlands wrote:Vassenor wrote:
In this case, use of voter ID laws to block predominantly pro-Democrat demographics from actually voting.
How can Judges allow that? They have to be in on the suppression.

by Corrian » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:07 am
Petrasylvania wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:McConnell won't bring legislation to protect Mueller to vote.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html"I don't think he should fire Mueller and I don't think he's going to," he said in the interview. "So this is a piece of legislation that isn't necessary in my judgment."
Gilligan Cut to every major news outlet announcing that Donnie fired Mueller by Twitter.

by Vassenor » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:12 am

by Seangoli » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:39 am
I am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.
Senators leaving Tuesday's briefing seemed to indicate that Trump's isolationist impulses are going to win out, regardless of the consequences for US global influence, American national security interests or the fate of the region, where Iran is vying for larger influence and Russia has established itself as a power broker, edging out the US.
Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware left the meeting and told reporters, "The only thing worse than a bad plan on Syria is no plan on Syria, and the President and his administration have failed to deliver a coherent plan on the path forward."

by Petrasylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:49 am
Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?
That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.htmlI am very unnerved by what I'm hearing and seeing," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, who said the briefing on the strikes made him more worried, not less. The administration is "going down a dangerous path" with regards to Syria, he said, without offering details.Senators leaving Tuesday's briefing seemed to indicate that Trump's isolationist impulses are going to win out, regardless of the consequences for US global influence, American national security interests or the fate of the region, where Iran is vying for larger influence and Russia has established itself as a power broker, edging out the US.
Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware left the meeting and told reporters, "The only thing worse than a bad plan on Syria is no plan on Syria, and the President and his administration have failed to deliver a coherent plan on the path forward."
So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!

by West Leas Oros » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 am
Petrasylvania wrote:Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?
That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html
So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!
But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

by Arlenton » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:01 am
Petrasylvania wrote:Seangoli wrote:Do you know who has a plan for what the US wants out of the Syria engagement?
That's a serious question, because apparently our President doesn't have one. Not in the sense that he plans to leave it all alone, but in the literal sense that he has no fucking clue what our role in the Syria conflict is one way or another.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics ... index.html
So basically, the President's plan is to impulsively react to the whims of the populace and events going on, without a clear notion of whether we should leave Syria or not, whether we should engage in a diplomatic solution or not, or whether we should engage in a military operation or not. His job is to literally figure this shit out, and he hasn't. Winning!
But Crooked Hillary was going to start World War 3 with Russia in Syria! /s

by The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:50 am

by Petrasylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:25 am

by The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:51 pm

by San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:52 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.
I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.

by Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:53 pm

by The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:05 pm
San Lumen wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:Phittsburg Police thinks Trump is going to fire Mueller and is preparing for a riot tomorrow.
I still think if Trump was going to fire Mueller, particularly over Cohen, he would have done it already.
Where is Phittsburg? Never heard of this city. if he fires Mueller his Presidency is over.

by Ifreann » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:08 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:San Lumen wrote:Where is Phittsburg? Never heard of this city. if he fires Mueller his Presidency is over.
Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.

by The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:10 pm
Ifreann wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.
Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.

by Jerzylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:46 pm
Ifreann wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:Also, as much Trump claims he can, he can't fire him to begin with. He would have to go through Rosenstien first. Like I said, though, if he were, he would have done it already.
Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.

by San Lumen » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:04 pm
Jerzylvania wrote:Ifreann wrote:Unless he only now believes that his efforts to discredit the investigation have done enough to let him get away with firing Mueller.
Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.
With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.

by The Flutterlands » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:09 pm
San Lumen wrote:Jerzylvania wrote:
Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.
With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.
I still have much doubt the meeting happens or North Korea denuclearizing. They would demand something like all troops leaving the DMZ which Trump would be dumb enough to oblige.

by Jerzylvania » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:19 pm
San Lumen wrote:Jerzylvania wrote:
Maybe not. Instead I think it's his efforts to make peace with NK's Kim Jung Un. That's the sharpest edge he has on getting away with firing Mueller in the court of public opinion which may be just enough.
With real hope of a peace deal with NK looming, it's tough to throw all that away before exploring it. And the longer he can make negotiations for a Korea deal linger after firing Mueller the less chance there is of any major blow back, at least in this DC political environment. However, there would be public outrage but maybe not widespread enough to sway DC. Nevertheless, this is still one sticky wicket for Trump no matter the angle he chooses.
I still have much doubt the meeting happens or North Korea denuclearizing. They would demand something like all troops leaving the DMZ which Trump would be dumb enough to oblige.
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