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What is your position regarding religion?

Atheist
96
33%
Theist
61
21%
Agnostic/Agnostic Atheist
55
19%
Secular Humanist
25
9%
Skeptic
7
2%
Nihilist/Relativist
12
4%
Anti-Theist
12
4%
Anti-Atheist
12
4%
Satanist/Occultist
7
2%
Esoterical Post-Positivist Dialecticist
6
2%
 
Total votes : 293

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:03 am

Auze wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think I've seen four or five atheism threads since the Christian thread started, and none of them lasted very long.

Turns out that when the thing people have in common is not believing in any god or gods, that doesn't give them a lot to talk about.

The closest thing I've seen to a "successful" atheist discussion thread was the "If God exists why is there evil" one, and it was a mess to read (got plenty of zealots from both sides). I guess this comment applies to it:
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Sort of agree, sort of like ‘discuss not being a hamster, how has not being a hamster affected your life and views’.. and then it just devolves into a hamster bashing thread.

Well, there are many verses in the Bible invalidating God's omnibenevolence

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Postby Auze » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:08 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Auze wrote:The closest thing I've seen to a "successful" atheist discussion thread was the "If God exists why is there evil" one, and it was a mess to read (got plenty of zealots from both sides). I guess this comment applies to it:

Well, there are many verses in the Bible invalidating God's omnibenevolence

What is your definition of omnibenevolent, and please pick out a verse.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:09 am

Auze wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Well, there are many verses in the Bible invalidating God's omnibenevolence

What is your definition of omnibenevolent, and please pick out a verse.

I mean, there are plenty of instances of God killing people in the Bible, let's not kid ourselves.

Genesis 6:7, 7:4, 7:21-23, 17, 19:24, 19:26, 35:5, 38:7, 38:8-10, 41:25-32, 54. And that is just the Book of Genesis...
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:13 am

Auze wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Well, there are many verses in the Bible invalidating God's omnibenevolence

What is your definition of omnibenevolent, and please pick out a verse.

Omnibenevolent - infinitely good

The Bible suggests God:
. condones rape
. encourages racism
. is blatantly homophobic (even though God would know homosexuality IS NOT a choice)
. calls for killing of innocent people
. has serious anger management issues and commits genocides (if God is evil, that makes a lot of sense given what I do in sandbox video games)

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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:16 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Auze wrote:What is your definition of omnibenevolent, and please pick out a verse.

Omnibenevolent - infinitely good

The Bible suggests God:
. condones rape
. encourages racism
. is blatantly homophobic (even though God would know homosexuality IS NOT a choice)
. calls for killing of innocent people
. has serious anger management issues and commits genocides (if God is evil, that makes a lot of sense given what I do in sandbox video games)

. a being of universal scale and infinite intelligence would not care what appendages what types of semi-aware apes shove into each other
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:22 am

How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?
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Postby Te Wat-Hao » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 am

Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?

Is there evidence for this impersonal god? If not, it has no more reality than Lord of the Rings.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 am

Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?


So long as they do not believe in a god they are atheist, no matter what other beliefs they hold.
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Postby Switzo-Polish Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:34 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?


So long as they do not believe in a god they are atheist, no matter what other beliefs they hold.

I actually saw this article in Scientfic American that said that despite the number of athiests increasng over time, belief in things like the afterlife remain.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:34 am

Te Wat-Hao wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?

Is there evidence for this impersonal god? If not, it has no more reality than Lord of the Rings.


Philosophy asks such questions as "what is true? What is beautiful?" and debate on these topics is ongoing with no final resolution in sight. Nevertheless, we speak to each other of such things even though we cannot agree on their definition.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:38 am

Switzo-Polish Republic wrote:I actually saw this article in Scientfic American that said that despite the number of athiests increasng over time, belief in things like the afterlife remain.

Nietzsche called these kinds of things the "shadow of God", i.e. things that will remain behind for a while, regardless of the fact that belief in the God that may have justified said beliefs has disappeared.

“God is dead, but considering the state the species man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
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Postby Te Wat-Hao » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:42 am

Pope Joan wrote:
Te Wat-Hao wrote:Is there evidence for this impersonal god? If not, it has no more reality than Lord of the Rings.


Philosophy asks such questions as "what is true? What is beautiful?" and debate on these topics is ongoing with no final resolution in sight. Nevertheless, we speak to each other of such things even though we cannot agree on their definition.

Truth is objective, beauty is subjective. Truth is a question not of philosophy, but of scientific evidence or lack thereof.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:45 am

Te Wat-Hao wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Philosophy asks such questions as "what is true? What is beautiful?" and debate on these topics is ongoing with no final resolution in sight. Nevertheless, we speak to each other of such things even though we cannot agree on their definition.

Truth is objective, beauty is subjective. Truth is a question not of philosophy, but of scientific evidence or lack thereof.

The nature of truth has been debated in Western Philosophy for thousands of years. Somebody better tell them that they were wrong to debate it, as clearly it is only the domain of the sciences(!)
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:51 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Auze wrote:What is your definition of omnibenevolent, and please pick out a verse.

Omnibenevolent - infinitely good

The Bible suggests God:
. condones rape
. encourages racism
. is blatantly homophobic (even though God would know homosexuality IS NOT a choice)
. calls for killing of innocent people
. has serious anger management issues and commits genocides (if God is evil, that makes a lot of sense given what I do in sandbox video games)

How do we know those things are bad, though?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:53 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Omnibenevolent - infinitely good

The Bible suggests God:
. condones rape
. encourages racism
. is blatantly homophobic (even though God would know homosexuality IS NOT a choice)
. calls for killing of innocent people
. has serious anger management issues and commits genocides (if God is evil, that makes a lot of sense given what I do in sandbox video games)

How do we know those things are bad, though?
Checkmate, liberals.


How do certain theists know god is good?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:54 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Omnibenevolent - infinitely good

The Bible suggests God:
. condones rape
. encourages racism
. is blatantly homophobic (even though God would know homosexuality IS NOT a choice)
. calls for killing of innocent people
. has serious anger management issues and commits genocides (if God is evil, that makes a lot of sense given what I do in sandbox video games)

How do we know those things are bad, though?
Checkmate, liberals.


How do certain theists know god is good?
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Postby Te Wat-Hao » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:56 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Te Wat-Hao wrote:Truth is objective, beauty is subjective. Truth is a question not of philosophy, but of scientific evidence or lack thereof.

The nature of truth has been debated in Western Philosophy for thousands of years. Somebody better tell them that they were wrong to debate it, as clearly it is only the domain of the sciences(!)
The New California Republic wrote:
Te Wat-Hao wrote:Truth is objective, beauty is subjective. Truth is a question not of philosophy, but of scientific evidence or lack thereof.

The nature of truth has been debated in Western Philosophy for thousands of years. Somebody better tell them that they were wrong to debate it, as clearly it is only the domain of the sciences(!)

Being a philosopher does not entitle you to special treatment. Truth as such is objective, perception and opinion is subjective.

I said TRUTH is the domain of the sciences, not THE NATURE OF IT. :eyebrow:

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:11 am

Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?

Well, there are Buddhist sects that do believe in the existence of supernatural entities akin to things like angels or spirits.
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Postby New Neruda » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 am

Pope Joan wrote:How much "God" is too much, as far as atheism is concerned?

Buddhists do not worship a deity, and their practice is founded upon skepticism. Yet they "look like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck", which is to say that they SEEM a lot like theistic religions in their behavior and ritual.

Paul Tillich talked about a "Ground of Being", which appeals to me intellectually. This is hardly a personal god, not some white bearded figure on a giant throne in the sky; would that be acceptable?

As a nonreligious person I actually quite like Buddhism.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:17 am

Te Wat-Hao wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The nature of truth has been debated in Western Philosophy for thousands of years. Somebody better tell them that they were wrong to debate it, as clearly it is only the domain of the sciences(!)

Being a philosopher does not entitle you to special treatment.

I didn't say that it does. Nice straw man.

Te Wat-Hao wrote:Truth as such is objective, perception and opinion is subjective.

The objectivity of truth, the nature of truth, truth itself, has been debated by philosophers since time immemorial. Whether truth is objective or not has been the subject of fierce debate in the West since before the Greeks.

Te Wat-Hao wrote:I said TRUTH is the domain of the sciences, not THE NATURE OF IT. :eyebrow:

Raise that eyebrow all you like, but philosophy very much does have significant input into our understanding of truth and truth itself.

But this is all besides the point and entirely off-topic.
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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:20 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Te Wat-Hao wrote:Being a philosopher does not entitle you to special treatment.

I didn't say that it does. Nice straw man.

Te Wat-Hao wrote:Truth as such is objective, perception and opinion is subjective.

The objectivity of truth, the nature of truth, truth itself, has been debated by philosophers since time immemorial. Whether truth is objective or not has been the subject of fierce debate in the West since before the Greeks.

Te Wat-Hao wrote:I said TRUTH is the domain of the sciences, not THE NATURE OF IT. :eyebrow:

Raise that eyebrow all you like, but philosophy very much does have significant input into our understanding of truth and truth itself.

But this is all besides the point and entirely off-topic.

You imply something being debated entitles it to being debated forever. It does not. Truth is facts is objective, and that is the answer. How long it has been debated is entirely immaterial. :rofl:
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:21 am

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:22 am

Annihitor the Incred wrote:You imply something being debated entitles it to being debated forever.

Nope. Never said that or implied it. If you think that I implied it, then you are grossly misinterpreting what I am saying.
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Postby Annihitor the Incred » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:24 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Annihitor the Incred wrote:You imply something being debated entitles it to being debated forever.

Nope. Never said that or implied it. If you think that I implied it, then you are grossly misinterpreting what I am saying.

You are easy to misunderstand, bröther beär.
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