Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Fartsniffage]

Yes. After taking a video while he was in the school during the shooting.

He went home then biked back. Those were all of his words, not the selected words you want to be true.

Hogg did explain it pretty unclearly though.

Perhaps. But Jim has been linked to a video of him being there and is still denying it.

[Big Jim P]

He's the one who said he biked to the school.

Yes. After taking a video while he was in the school during the shooting.

He went home then biked back. Those were all of his words, not the selected words you want to be true.

I stand corrected.

[The Two Jerseys]

You mean the punk who basically called all 2nd Amendment supporters "baby killers" and wants "old-ass" people to have no say in politics because they don't know how to use an iPhone?

Fuck him, he's the one who needs to lay off the personal attacks.

Stay classy.

Throwing 'he started it!' at a dumb teenager involved in a school shooting... lmao.

He wants to call us the bad guys, well say hello to the bad guys!

[Fartsniffage]

Yes. After taking a video while he was in the school during the shooting.

He went home then biked back. Those were all of his words, not the selected words you want to be true.

I stand corrected.

I wonder on how many of the 2nd amendment sites you post that you'll share that correction?

[Albrenia]

It's also a right that gives you the ability to protect your other rights.

The best way to explain it is the 2nd amendment is a failsafe to keep the government in check and to overthrow and remake it if necessary. At least my thought on why I love it. As a failsafe.

I'm not convinced it would have the desired effect, but I agree that is its intention. After all, the PATRIOT act, testing on US citizens and other shit's all happened and nobody took up arms then.

[Big Jim P]

I stand corrected.

I wonder on how many of the 2nd amendment sites you post that you'll share that correction?

As many as I come across.

[Albrenia]

Stay classy.

Throwing 'he started it!' at a dumb teenager involved in a school shooting... lmao.

He wants to call us the bad guys, well say hello to the bad guys!

Hello bad guys?

In seriousness though, I know you guys aren't baby killers or any shit like that. It just annoys me to see things devolve into shit slinging just because some emotionally-charged, dumb teenager slung shit first.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The best way to explain it is the 2nd amendment is a failsafe to keep the government in check and to overthrow and remake it if necessary. At least my thought on why I love it. As a failsafe.

I'm not convinced it would have the desired effect, but I agree that is its intention. After all, the PATRIOT act, testing on US citizens and other shit's all happened and nobody took up arms then.

Tbqh I am opening up to the idea that everyone who helped pass the PATRIOT Act should be hanged.

[Albrenia]

I'm not convinced it would have the desired effect, but I agree that is its intention. After all, the PATRIOT act, testing on US citizens and other shit's all happened and nobody took up arms then.

Tbqh I am opening up to the idea that everyone who helped pass the PATRIOT Act should be hanged.

I'm sure the FBI will take note of that...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbqh I am opening up to the idea that everyone who helped pass the PATRIOT Act should be hanged.

I'm sure the FBI will take note of that...

Add it to the list motherfuckers >_>

[The Two Jerseys]

I'm sure the FBI will take note of that...

Add it to the list motherfuckers >_>

You're safe, they're still busy wasting their time trying to link Trump to Russia...

[Big Jim P]

I'm sure the FBI will take note of that...

Add it to the list motherfuckers >_>

Sometimes I wonder how many lists I am on. Out of 72 listed groups that are considered potential terrorists I scored 36.

Not sure how accurate the list was though.

[Zyr and Pony]

Hey Zyr, what policy ideas do you have when it comes to gun rights exactly?

Close the gun show loophole, three day waiting periods (for suicide prevention, people usually commit suicide on an impulse, and any delays in that help a lot in preventing them. For example look up what happened in terms of suicides after Britain switched from coal to gas ovens. It's quite interesting), a gun database on a state by state basis, etc. I forget what state it was, but I posted a link earlier in this thread about gun control in a New England state, where you have to register your guns with the police, have a gun license, get background checked, etc. That's pretty much what I want.

I'm not interested in bans on guns of any type, except those that are ridiculously unsafe to the user (see the more unsafe, unreliable Saturday Night Specials) or are excessively destructive (RPGs and bigger, essentially)

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hey Zyr, what policy ideas do you have when it comes to gun rights exactly?

Close the gun show loophole, three day waiting periods (for suicide prevention, people usually commit suicide on an impulse, and any delays in that help a lot in preventing them. For example look up what happened in terms of suicides after Britain switched from coal to gas ovens. It's quite interesting), a gun database on a state by state basis, etc. I forget what state it was, but I posted a link earlier in this thread about gun control in a New England state, where you have to register your guns with the police, have a gun license, get background checked, etc. That's pretty much what I want.

I'm not interested in bans on guns of any type, except those that are ridiculously unsafe to the user (see the more unsafe, unreliable Saturday Night Specials) or are excessively destructive (RPGs and bigger, essentially)

Registries are an absolute no go, the Hughes Amendment and various blue states have proven why it's a bad idea to follow those laws.

[Big Jim P]

Hey Zyr, what policy ideas do you have when it comes to gun rights exactly?

Close the gun show loophole, three day waiting periods (for suicide prevention, people usually commit suicide on an impulse, and any delays in that help a lot in preventing them. For example look up what happened in terms of suicides after Britain switched from coal to gas ovens. It's quite interesting), a gun database on a state by state basis, etc. I forget what state it was, but I posted a link earlier in this thread about gun control in a New England state, where you have to register your guns with the police, have a gun license, get background checked, etc. That's pretty much what I want.

I'm not interested in bans on guns of any type, except those that are ridiculously unsafe to the user (see the more unsafe, unreliable Saturday Night Specials) or are excessively destructive (RPGs and bigger, essentially)

Opening with the gunshow loophole myth doesn't help your case. Doubling down (repeatedly) with waiting periods, licensing our rights and registering our guns destroys it.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It's also a right that gives you the ability to protect your other rights.

The best way to explain it is the 2nd amendment is a failsafe to keep the government in check and to overthrow and remake it if necessary. At least my thought on why I love it. As a failsafe.

More like it was to allow the states to establish militias and arm the populace against foreign invasion since standing armies were severely frowned upon in 18th and 19th century America. The “overthrow the government” line of thinking with the 2nd amendment starts to fall apart when another part of the constitution explicitly says that “levying war against the United States” is treason and therefore making overthrowing the government a crime.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The best way to explain it is the 2nd amendment is a failsafe to keep the government in check and to overthrow and remake it if necessary. At least my thought on why I love it. As a failsafe.

More like it was to allow the states to establish militias and arm the populace against foreign invasion since standing armies were severely frowned upon in 18th and 19th century America. The “overthrow the government” line of thinking with the 2nd amendment starts to fall apart when another part of the constitution explicitly says that “levying war against the United States” is treason and therefore making overthrowing the government a crime.

The overthrow the government line is mentioned more than once in the Federalist Papers, iirc.

[Zyr and Pony]

Close the gun show loophole, three day waiting periods (for suicide prevention, people usually commit suicide on an impulse, and any delays in that help a lot in preventing them. For example look up what happened in terms of suicides after Britain switched from coal to gas ovens. It's quite interesting), a gun database on a state by state basis, etc. I forget what state it was, but I posted a link earlier in this thread about gun control in a New England state, where you have to register your guns with the police, have a gun license, get background checked, etc. That's pretty much what I want.

I'm not interested in bans on guns of any type, except those that are ridiculously unsafe to the user (see the more unsafe, unreliable Saturday Night Specials) or are excessively destructive (RPGs and bigger, essentially)

Opening with the gunshow loophole myth doesn't help your case. Doubling down (repeatedly) with waiting periods, licensing our rights and registering our guns destroys it.

Gun show loophole myth?

So unlicensed gun sellers can't sell at gunshows without running background checks? Or in other private sales?

[Big Jim P]

Opening with the gunshow loophole myth doesn't help your case. Doubling down (repeatedly) with waiting periods, licensing our rights and registering our guns destroys it.

Gun show loophole myth?

So unlicensed gun sellers can't sell at gunshows without running background checks? Or in other private sales?

That's not a loophole. That's one of those "compromises" that miraculously became a loophole. One of the main reasons we don't trust gun-grabbers.

[Zyr and Pony]

Gun show loophole myth?

So unlicensed gun sellers can't sell at gunshows without running background checks? Or in other private sales?

That's not a loophole.

Yes it is.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's not a loophole.

Yes it is.

No it isn't. It's exactly how the law is supposed to work and was intended to be that way.

[Zyr and Pony]

Yes it is.

No it isn't. It's exactly how the law is supposed to work and was intended to be that way.

When law professors are calling it a loophole, as they are quoted as doing in the link I provided, it's a loophole. No amount of mental gymnastics from random internet posters will convince me otherwise.

[Big Jim P]

That's not a loophole.

Yes it is.

See my edited post.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No it isn't. It's exactly how the law is supposed to work and was intended to be that way.

When law professors are calling it a loophole, as they are quoted as doing in the link I provided, it's a loophole. No amount of mental gymnastics from random internet posters will convince me otherwise.

It's literally what the law was designed to do. It was a specifically laid out compromise to help pass the Brady Bill. You can't change the meaning of the word loophole because you don't like it.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

More like it was to allow the states to establish militias and arm the populace against foreign invasion since standing armies were severely frowned upon in 18th and 19th century America. The “overthrow the government” line of thinking with the 2nd amendment starts to fall apart when another part of the constitution explicitly says that “levying war against the United States” is treason and therefore making overthrowing the government a crime.

The overthrow the government line is mentioned more than once in the Federalist Papers, iirc.

Unfortunately for the “the 2nd amendment allows the overthrow of the government” crowd, those parts of the Federalist Papers weren’t included in the constitution and they instead got Article III, Section 3 making overthrowing the government treason.