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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:45 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s nice they lit up the White House for Autism

Ehhhhhh. Autism Speaks is a pretty awful org.

They've done some good but when they fail, they fail hard.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:02 pm

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Hittanryan wrote:Oh good, now Putin gets a chance to bug the White House.

Can we actually stop shitting on one of Trump's only good stances? I think it would be good to ease tensions between nuclear powers.

Can we stop explaining this to you every fucking time it is brought up?
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:21 pm

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Even if the peace comes at the price of overlooking Russia's crimes?

What the hell is the alternative aside from pushing us closer to war? Avoid war at all costs.


Yes Mr. Chamberlain, I'm sure this will work out excellently.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:21 pm

Bombadil wrote:I don't know what's worse, tweeting support for Sinclair Communications or cosying up to Putin.

Also.. the EPA decides there's just not enough pollution - kind of need to change the meaning of the P..

US environmental regulators announced on Monday they would ease emissions standards for cars and trucks, saying that a timeline put in place by Barack Obama was not appropriate and set standards “too high”.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said it had completed a review that would affect vehicles for model years 2022-25 but it did not provide details on new standards, which it said would be forthcoming. Current regulations from the EPA require the fleet of new vehicles to get 36 miles per gallon in real-world driving by 2025. That’s about 10 miles per gallon over the existing standard.


As usual for the Trump admin, remove Obama stuff, don't bother providing details of what replaces it.


Is Trump going to be around in 2022? More to the point, I can see a point where this happens, but then the US can't export cars to most developed markets because they don't meet emissions standards. Cue "muh trade deficit".

Edit: come to think of it, America's Big Two are moving to "global models" so it likely won't matter.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:27 pm


Yay!
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:32 am

Is the trade war of tariffs going to actually hamper America's industries in general?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:39 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Is the trade war of tariffs going to actually hamper America's industries in general?

Depends on what industry you are. American steel industry will grow due to the tariffs as they become more competitive. Consuming industries, however, will just see the price of steel rise. So, it's good for one industry and bad for the other. Overall, however, it will see the price of consumer products rise, which will hurt the US economy.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:41 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Is the trade war of tariffs going to actually hamper America's industries in general?

Depends on what industry you are. American steel industry will grow due to the tariffs as they become more competitive. Consuming industries, however, will just see the price of steel rise. So, it's good for one industry and bad for the other. Overall, however, it will see the price of consumer products rise, which will hurt the US economy.


What is Trump's real aim on this war of trade? Truly a genuine attempt to restore US's economy, or is it more for himself and his base?
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So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:50 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Depends on what industry you are. American steel industry will grow due to the tariffs as they become more competitive. Consuming industries, however, will just see the price of steel rise. So, it's good for one industry and bad for the other. Overall, however, it will see the price of consumer products rise, which will hurt the US economy.


What is Trump's real aim on this war of trade? Truly a genuine attempt to restore US's economy, or is it more for himself and his base?

I think it's a thing for his base. It will in fact improve the US steel market, and he promised he would create more jobs there. Also, it makes him look like a tough president in foreign affairs, which his base also likes. Finally, it makes him look like an anti-globalist, which is the cherry on top.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:25 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Depends on what industry you are. American steel industry will grow due to the tariffs as they become more competitive. Consuming industries, however, will just see the price of steel rise. So, it's good for one industry and bad for the other. Overall, however, it will see the price of consumer products rise, which will hurt the US economy.


What is Trump's real aim on this war of trade? Truly a genuine attempt to restore US's economy, or is it more for himself and his base?


He promised to address the trade deficit with China. The problem is that America, by and large, is a service-based economy. While China is increasingly become that, especially in the major metropolises like Shanghai, it is still a developing economy that is still industrialising, and that means it is still a country that produces a lot of stuff cheaply. Tariffs work if China is making products that America also makes and competes with, but there's not that much that China makes that America imports that negatively affects American companies to the point where protectionism makes sense.

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:I think it's a thing for his base. It will in fact improve the US steel market, and he promised he would create more jobs there. Also, it makes him look like a tough president in foreign affairs, which his base also likes. Finally, it makes him look like an anti-globalist, which is the cherry on top.


It also hurts industries that rely on exports. For example American pig farmers who export pork will be hit by the new tariffs China has introduced. But where it may hurt American businesses it may prove to be a boon for other countries who may not be subject to the same tariffs as American products. America's loss is the world's gain, and countries would be smart to look at what products China is slapping tariffs on so they can ramp up exports and take advantage of the gap in the market.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:47 am

So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:00 am

Vassenor wrote:So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."


And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.
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Postby Philjia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:23 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."


And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.

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Postby Post War America » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:24 am

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And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.

Love thy neighbour as thyself, unless they're Jewish, a Muslim, foreign, a protestant/catholic (delete as appropriate), homosexual, or have slightly annoyed you in any way.


You forgot about loose women, any other form of heretic, and unwilling to form a theocracy.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:38 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."


And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.

The teachings of Christ, Our Saviour, unless they stop us from forming a conquering empire.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:41 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Ehhhhhh. Autism Speaks is a pretty awful org.

They've done some good but when they fail, they fail hard.


The whole "trying to find a cure for Autism" thing sounds dubious to me, since most medical professionals don't really think that's exactly possible.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:33 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s nice they lit up the White House for Autism

I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s nice they lit up the White House for Autism

I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.


There's not much the president can just do.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:37 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.


There's not much the president can just do.


He could, you know, try.
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Postby Hittanryan » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:40 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s nice they lit up the White House for Autism

I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:41 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.


There's not much the president can just do.

Other then, actually throw his weight around and get his party to make things better for the Autistic people in the country.

Or undo that stupid decision Reagan did and get more help to those who need it.

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Postby Ism » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:51 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:I'll admit, nice touch Trump.

Now if you could do something about mental health in the country that would be even better.


There's not much the president can just do.


He can propose legislation on the issue no? Given the amount of time Republicans spend talking about mental health, you’d think that could be a win for everyone, especially since the Democrats might support the bill too. So, yes, Trump can’t just fix it, he could get the ball rolling, which is to say that he can do something significant, just not on his own. Not that I see him doing anything like that mind you, it’s all hypothetical. And unlikely, in my view.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:54 am

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Vassenor wrote:So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."


And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:02 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So I think this neatly encapsulates what bugs me about the GOP shilling itself as the party of "Christian values".

"Jesus was a radical non-violent revolutionary who hung around lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn't American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (Matthew 6:5); but was never anti-gay, never mentioned abortion or birth control, never called the poor lazy, never justified torture, never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, never asked a leper for a copay; and was a long-haired brown-skinned homeless community-organising anti-slut-shaming middle eastern Jew."


And the early Christians who actually believed this hippie shit were nearly wiped out. It took the militancy of St. Paul and later Roman conquests to actually keep the faith alive.

Once Charlemagne came around they dropped most of this commie nonsense and went about building the industrial Europe.

So what you're saying is Christians stopped following the words Jesus?
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