Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[Liriena]

"Belgium has an important influential role to play as does America and the EU" = "Colonize us pls"

Remind me never to go on a date with you.

What you don’t want to be colonized by oily?

There's only one country that should get to colonize others, and that's Iceland.

[Luminesa]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife? Bore them to death with your terrible sociology lessons? Here’s the thing. If other people don’t get to defend themselves, neither do you. If they can’t have weapons then you don’t get weapons either. And the guy with the knife is not going to listen to you.

[Liriena]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife?

held at gun-point

with a knife

*thinking emoji*

[Albrenia]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife?

held at gun-point

with a knife

*thinking emoji*

Hey, it could happen.

[Conserative Morality]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife?

held at gun-point

with a knife

*thinking emoji*

ya fookin wepon

[Liriena]

held at gun-point

with a knife

*thinking emoji*

ya fookin wepon

...waaaait. Square Enix didn't invent the gunblade? I feel so cheated right now. :^(

[Luminesa]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife?

held at gun-point

with a knife

*thinking emoji*

HANG ON HONEST MISTAKE.

Okay. Knife-point with a knife.

DARN IT YOU GOT MY POINT.

[Proctopeo]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

I have an almost completely opposite opinion - everyone should be allowed to own guns, bar those too mentally ill, violent criminals, and idiots clamoring for revolution. I don't want the legitimately dangerous armed.
Those clamoring for independence I don't mind as much.

[Albrenia]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

I have an almost completely opposite opinion - everyone should be allowed to own guns, bar those too mentally ill, violent criminals, and idiots clamoring for revolution. I don't want the legitimately dangerous armed.
Those clamoring for independence I don't mind as much.

There's a difference between rebelling and revolution?

[Oil exporting People]

"Belgium has an important influential role to play as does America and the EU" = "Colonize us pls"

77 percent would approve of an international steering committee to accompany the electoral process

Remind me never to go on a date with you.

Don't worry dear, you're not my type; if you happen to know any Latinas though, feel free to send them my way.

Not for the Brits. They had transitioned to a market economy.

Which describes everywhere else for the most part where Slavery was still in action, ignores the Pro-Slavery faction in Parliament driven by West Indies sugar producers, and the fact Slavery was profitable in regular agriculture and general usage such as in factories or infrastructure projects. For example, slaves made up a large segment of the factory labor force in the American South prior to the Civil War while in Virginia, just growing wheat alone using slave labor was extremely profitable.

[Conserative Morality]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

I have an almost completely opposite opinion - everyone should be allowed to own guns, bar those too mentally ill, violent criminals, and idiots clamoring for revolution. I don't want the legitimately dangerous armed.
Those clamoring for independence I don't mind as much.

Fuck those people. I'll have no secesh tolerated under MY Union.

[Proctopeo]

I have an almost completely opposite opinion - everyone should be allowed to own guns, bar those too mentally ill, violent criminals, and idiots clamoring for revolution. I don't want the legitimately dangerous armed.
Those clamoring for independence I don't mind as much.

There's a difference between rebelling and revolution?

I want to split hairs today.
If they don't want to overthrow the government, I'm less opposed.

I have an almost completely opposite opinion - everyone should be allowed to own guns, bar those too mentally ill, violent criminals, and idiots clamoring for revolution. I don't want the legitimately dangerous armed.
Those clamoring for independence I don't mind as much.

At least they won't shout about storming the capitol any time the government does something slightly annoying.
Fuck those people. I'll have no secesh tolerated under MY Union.

[El Hamidah]

Guilt by association, amirite? Guess, I'm fash now for also being a national-syndicalist and an admirerer of Sorel.

You guys have a pretty wide definition of fascist.

Nah I'm an admirer of Sorel as well so

I really liked him until he got into the ethnonationalist shit. But the guy was French, so what are you gonna do?

[Oil exporting People]

"Belgium has an important influential role to play as does America and the EU" = "Colonize us pls"

Remind me never to go on a date with you.

What you don’t want to be colonized by oily?

I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you if someone makes this a ship meme.

[The East Marches II]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

I don't blame you, critical realism doesn't have a chance against real world power.

[Conserative Morality]

"Belgium has an important influential role to play as does America and the EU" = "Colonize us pls"

77 percent would approve of an international steering committee to accompany the electoral process

Okay. And?

Oh, we're back to square one: "They wanted a kiss so they're gettin' the d. "

Remind me never to go on a date with you.

Don't worry dear, you're not my type; if you happen to know any Latinas though, feel free to send them my way.

I don't hate any Latinas enough to send them your way.

Which describes everywhere else for the most part where Slavery was still in action,

uhu

no

Not really.

Market economies are not as intuitive and natural as people like to think. They are very much a recent development.

ignores the Pro-Slavery faction in Parliament driven by West Indies sugar producers,

... the Brits hadn't had a significant pro-slavery faction in Parliament since the 1810s.

and the fact Slavery was profitable in regular agriculture and general usage such as in factories or infrastructure projects. For example, slaves made up a large segment of the factory labor force in the American South prior to the Civil War while in Virginia, just growing wheat alone using slave labor was extremely profitable.

Profitable for individuals. Harmful to the general economy. But I'm sure you'll be able to explain to me then why the American South was so much richer than the North using their 'profitable' slave labor force. =^)

Fact is that slavery is like goldbuggery - profits a few, impoverishes the nation.

[El Hamidah]

No one, period, should have guns except for revolutionaries — not the police, not the military, and not the right-wing gun culture. I don't want my enemies armed.

I don't blame you, critical realism doesn't have a chance against real world power.

And I'm sure youll all be that powerful forever

[Oil exporting People]

Okay. And? Oh, we're back to square one: "They wanted a kiss so they're gettin' the d. "

> International Steering Committee

"Look, we'll give you control over us and let you decide our future, but it's not colonialism, okay?"

I'll grant you it's Neo, or Colonialism 2.0 but the general idea is the same. I'm not going to comment on what seems to be your love life, however.

I don't hate any Latinas enough to send them your way.

Ouch.

uh

no

Not really.

Market economies are not as intuitive and natural as people like to think. They are very much a recent development.

What is your definition of such then? I'd like to have an idea of what we're talking about here so we're both on the same page.

... the Brits hadn't had a significant pro-slavery faction in Parliament since the 1810s.

Actually that's false as Anti-Slavery measures had been proposed as early 1792 and then shot down. Anti-Slavery only became a truly major force in the first two decades of the 19th Century, as it ended in the American North and the British took a hard stance on it while it appeared ready to recede even in the American South until things like the Cotton Gin helped to revive it in full. With that said, it's hard to have factions on an issue when said issue has yet to exist.

Profitable for individuals. Harmful to the general economy. But I'm sure you'll be able to explain to me then why the American South was so much richer than the North using their 'profitable' slave labor force. =^)

Fact is that slavery is like goldbuggery - profits a few, impoverishes the nation.

Actually it was extremely profitable for all in the American South, as evidenced by reviews of GDP per capita. Further, the economic value of slaves in the United States exceeded the invested value of all of the nation's railroads, factories, and banks combined. On that last point, it's historical note that the Confederate States had the second highest amount of railways in the world after the Northern States in 1861.

[Reikoku]

You're free to believe whatever lies you wish to believe, it just makes you ignorant of the truth is all.

Qq, do you support the Boxer Rebellion?

The Virgin American Nationalist vs THE CHAD BOXER.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Qq, do you support the Boxer Rebellion?

The Virgin American Nationalist vs THE CHAD BOXER.

Let the foreign devils be driven from Peking!

[Democratic Communist Federation]

From a specifically American context, neither, but I'm not opposed to the latter in a sense. For European nations that were always envisioned as ethnic states, such an ideology makes perfect sense and I'd support it; Germany would not be German without ethnic Germans, nor would Poland be Poland without ethnic Poles. It wasn't until the aftermath of the Second World War that European states began trying to project themselves as civic nationalist in the same way the United States has been since the 19th Century with the decline of the Anglo-Saxon predominance here. I'm also in favor of the the idea of a White-sense of brotherhood, which was the case among the Imperial Powers at the turn of the last century with regards to things like colonizing Africa and putting down the previously mentioned Boxers.

In that case, your views sound somewhat similar to those of Henrik Palmgren and Lana Lokteff on Red Ice.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I don't blame you, critical realism doesn't have a chance against real world power.

You are entitled to your opinions. However, I do not represent some official critical realist perspective (aside from the writings of Roy Bhaskar). Roy would have said that, formally, there is no such thing. I only speak for myself.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife? Bore them to death with your terrible sociology lessons? Here’s the thing. If other people don’t get to defend themselves, neither do you. If they can’t have weapons then you don’t get weapons either. And the guy with the knife is not going to listen to you.

Wow, another anti-intellectual. How surprising <not>.

I will defend myself. Why ask that question?

[Thermodolia]

And what are you going to do then when you’re held at gun-point with a knife? Bore them to death with your terrible sociology lessons? Here’s the thing. If other people don’t get to defend themselves, neither do you. If they can’t have weapons then you don’t get weapons either. And the guy with the knife is not going to listen to you.

Wow, another anti-intellectual. How surprising <not>.

I will defend myself. Why ask that question?

Um Lumi is far from an anti-intellectual but I guess it’s hard to see when you are so far up in your ivory tower

[Reikoku]

People still defending imperialism? In 2018?

Really? Using the “current year” argument unironically?

But yes there’s nothing wrong with a bit of imperialism

Unless you're on the receiving end of course.