Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Dems aren't even authoritarian.

[Telconi]

Hint: We have horrid authoritarians running both parties, that's reason enough for the citizenry to be armed equivalent to anything an infantryman might have.

Trump is too dumb to be a king. And who would follow Pelosi/Schumer into battle. The Dems aren't even authoritarian. All of that is not realistic at all. I'm talking invasions, people.

Artificially limiting the arguments makes no sense.

"I don't need insurance because the likelihood of a plane crashing on my car is astronomically low and I'm only going to measure plane crash related auto damage when considering my risks."

There are so many possible threats to my security that range from foreign countries to Joe the crack addict.

[Mujahidah]

That's a good measure. Basically the crux of what I want, tbh.



Ok. Would being convicted of a violent felony count? Domestic battery?



What would you mean by this?



In the case of it being tied to a criminal conviction, would appealing the conviction itself be a reasonable avenue?

Felonies and battery would count, basically IMO any violent offense would be disqualifying.

Social programs, the vast majority of gun crime is in fact gang crime or street crime, despite the attention paid mass shootings, they are a minority. Nonetheless, you could address both sorts via social programs designed to intervene and assist individuals who are headed down the path towards criminal activity.

Yeah, a vacated criminal conviction should restore any rights lost as a result.

Honestly not finding much to disagree with you on here.

One question, though. Would some kind of mandated minimum safety course be appropriate, to you? Assuming that there were financial aid provided to people who couldn't afford it/it was just paid for regardless?

[Valgora]

Hint: We have horrid authoritarians running both parties, that's reason enough for the citizenry to be armed equivalent to anything an infantryman might have.

Trump is too dumb to be a king. And who would follow Pelosi/Schumer into battle. The Dems aren't even authoritarian. All of that is not realistic at all. I'm talking invasions, people.

If the government becomes authoritarian, the citizens should be able to fight back.
It doesn't matter if you think it's unrealistic.

[Telconi]

The Dems aren't even authoritarian.

>Want to violate integral human rights.
>Not authoritarian.

ohboyherewego...

[Telconi]

Felonies and battery would count, basically IMO any violent offense would be disqualifying.

Social programs, the vast majority of gun crime is in fact gang crime or street crime, despite the attention paid mass shootings, they are a minority. Nonetheless, you could address both sorts via social programs designed to intervene and assist individuals who are headed down the path towards criminal activity.

Yeah, a vacated criminal conviction should restore any rights lost as a result.

Honestly not finding much to disagree with you on here.

One question, though. Would some kind of mandated minimum safety course be appropriate, to you? Assuming that there were financial aid provided to people who couldn't afford it/it was just paid for regardless?

If it wasn't overly burdensome and was free of charge, sure.

[United Citizens of North America]

Right, Pancho Villa attacked New Mexico. But it is not like anything like that is going to happen today.

Oh really?

Those are drug dealers paying off weak-willed members of the Mexican military. That isn't an incursion, that is the drug trade.

[United Citizens of North America]

Trump is too dumb to be a king. And who would follow Pelosi/Schumer into battle. The Dems aren't even authoritarian. All of that is not realistic at all. I'm talking invasions, people.

Artificially limiting the arguments makes no sense.

"I don't need insurance because the likelihood of a plane crashing on my car is astronomically low and I'm only going to measure plane crash related auto damage when considering my risks."

There are so many possible threats to my security that range from foreign countries to Joe the crack addict.

And these threats can best be solved by shooting Joe the crackpot with an AR-15? We live in America, people. It is not like we are in a war zone.

[Mujahidah]

Honestly not finding much to disagree with you on here.

One question, though. Would some kind of mandated minimum safety course be appropriate, to you? Assuming that there were financial aid provided to people who couldn't afford it/it was just paid for regardless?

If it wasn't overly burdensome and was free of charge, sure.

Good to know!

If only such compromise, in practice, were as easy to achieve.

[United Citizens of North America]

>Want to violate integral human rights.
>Not authoritarian.

ohboyherewego...

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

[Mujahidah]

>Want to violate integral human rights.
>Not authoritarian.

ohboyherewego...

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

I can't speak for Telconi, but WRA, from my experience with him, isn't a huge fan of the GOP either, by any stretch.

[Valgora]

>Want to violate integral human rights.
>Not authoritarian.

ohboyherewego...

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

The right to bear arms.

Both parties are authoritarian.

If you fail to see that the Democratic party is authoritarian, then you are too partisan to a fault. It would be comparable to me not realizing that Stalin was authoritarian (no, I'm not saying the Democratic party similar to Stalin).

[Washington Resistance Army]

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

I can't speak for Telconi, but WRA, from my experience with him, isn't a huge fan of the GOP either, by any stretch.

Nope, I only vote for them because the Democrats attack me directly.

[United Citizens of North America]

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

I can't speak for Telconi, but WRA, from my experience with him, isn't a huge fan of the GOP either, by any stretch.

His policies aren't far from the GOP, as far as I've seen. But prove me wrong.

[Mujahidah]

I can't speak for Telconi, but WRA, from my experience with him, isn't a huge fan of the GOP either, by any stretch.

His policies aren't far from the GOP, as far as I've seen. But prove me wrong.

Dude I'm a registered Democrat. I'm not going to go support the GOP. I'm just saying maybe know who you're talking about before trying to call them a hypocrite.

[United Citizens of North America]

What integral human rights? Like the GOP not supporting the ability for every taxpayer to live a long and healthy life?

The right to bear arms.

Both parties are authoritarian.

If you fail to see that the Democratic party is authoritarian, then you are too partisan to a fault. It would be comparable to me not realizing that Stalin was authoritarian (no, I'm not saying the Democratic party similar to Stalin).

I can see where that "authoritarian streak" comes from (corporocratic Dems, Obama's drone spying), but Democrats weren't the party passing the Patriot Act. We haven't supported the repeal of Net Neutrality.

[The Two Jerseys]

Oh really?

Those are drug dealers paying off weak-willed members of the Mexican military. That isn't an incursion, that is the drug trade.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The right to bear arms.

Both parties are authoritarian.

If you fail to see that the Democratic party is authoritarian, then you are too partisan to a fault. It would be comparable to me not realizing that Stalin was authoritarian (no, I'm not saying the Democratic party similar to Stalin).

I can see where that "authoritarian streak" comes from (corporocratic Dems, Obama's drone spying), but Democrats weren't the party passing the Patriot Act. We haven't supported the repeal of Net Neutrality.

You sure as shit helped.

[Valgora]

The right to bear arms.

Both parties are authoritarian.

If you fail to see that the Democratic party is authoritarian, then you are too partisan to a fault. It would be comparable to me not realizing that Stalin was authoritarian (no, I'm not saying the Democratic party similar to Stalin).

I can see where that "authoritarian streak" comes from (corporocratic Dems, Obama's drone spying), but Democrats weren't the party passing the Patriot Act. We haven't supported the repeal of Net Neutrality.

Again, both parties are authoritarian.
I may think one is less authoritarian, but that doesn't change the fact that I hate both and that I don't trust either one.

[United Citizens of North America]

His policies aren't far from the GOP, as far as I've seen. But prove me wrong.

Dude I'm a registered Democrat. I'm not going to go support the GOP. I'm just saying maybe know who you're talking about before trying to call them a hypocrite.

That's what I was saying. His gun policies are as far right as they go, but I don't know what he thinks on healthcare, immigration, etc.

[Valgora]

Dude I'm a registered Democrat. I'm not going to go support the GOP. I'm just saying maybe know who you're talking about before trying to call them a hypocrite.

That's what I was saying. His gun policies are as far right as they go, but I don't know what he thinks on healthcare, immigration, etc.

Gun policies are an American issue.
It's not a left-right issue.

[Telconi]

Artificially limiting the arguments makes no sense.

"I don't need insurance because the likelihood of a plane crashing on my car is astronomically low and I'm only going to measure plane crash related auto damage when considering my risks."

There are so many possible threats to my security that range from foreign countries to Joe the crack addict.

And these threats can best be solved by shooting Joe the crackpot with an AR-15? We live in America, people. It is not like we are in a war zone.

If Joe the crackpot is in my house at 0300, yes, the best way to stop him from harming me is a "weapon of death"

[Mujahidah]

Dude I'm a registered Democrat. I'm not going to go support the GOP. I'm just saying maybe know who you're talking about before trying to call them a hypocrite.

That's what I was saying. His gun policies are as far right as they go, but I don't know what he thinks on healthcare, immigration, etc.

Ask him I'm not an expert on his political views. I just know that he has criticized both parties. My understanding is that WRA is more of a hardcore Libertarian than anything else.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Dude I'm a registered Democrat. I'm not going to go support the GOP. I'm just saying maybe know who you're talking about before trying to call them a hypocrite.

That's what I was saying. His gun policies are as far right as they go, but I don't know what he thinks on healthcare, immigration, etc.

I'm a civil libertarian before anything else, some of the most common complaints people have about my beliefs are that I want too much freedom.

[United Citizens of North America]

I can see where that "authoritarian streak" comes from (corporocratic Dems, Obama's drone spying), but Democrats weren't the party passing the Patriot Act. We haven't supported the repeal of Net Neutrality.

You sure as shit helped.

Which party holds congress and the White House? Democrats can't do shit until the midterms.