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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:05 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
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I keep pointing people towards GOA but they just don't have the pull that the NRA does so that's where most people tend to gravitate.

Also found this interesting little article on the March for Our Lives which, at least imo, really makes it seem like there wasn't any big shift in public opinion.

I get a 503 error :(
Also I'd like to point out, the recent editorial by Stevens, may be working against gun control and or politicians who get hard on for bans, etc. he just may have done more damage than what he realizes, and in that case, it's good that he may be one of reasons gun bans will get torpedoed.


Indeed.

And if we really, really are lucky, the GCA's/Dems will finally get the hint and stop this stupid witch hunt against firearms and actually go after tangible things that might actually have a positive outcome for a change.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Donations to the NRA have tripled recently. Rumor is that the organization also got another half a million members in the past month or two. Thanks for motivating that new generation of single issue voters Democrats :^]

This one is an older article but I found it pretty interesting, the NRA largely runs off of small individual donations.

Really hoping the single issue gun rights advocates are preparing to vote.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:19 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I get a 503 error :(
Also I'd like to point out, the recent editorial by Stevens, may be working against gun control and or politicians who get hard on for bans, etc. he just may have done more damage than what he realizes, and in that case, it's good that he may be one of reasons gun bans will get torpedoed.


Indeed.

And if we really, really are lucky, the GCA's/Dems will finally get the hint and stop this stupid witch hunt against firearms and actually go after tangible things that might actually have a positive outcome for a change.

Yeah, I'm really confused by this. Appeal to the "cool twitter celeb" demographic that doesn't even vote? They have so many ways to attack Republicans, but this is one of the worst possible ways to do it.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:23 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I get a 503 error :(
Also I'd like to point out, the recent editorial by Stevens, may be working against gun control and or politicians who get hard on for bans, etc. he just may have done more damage than what he realizes, and in that case, it's good that he may be one of reasons gun bans will get torpedoed.


Indeed.

And if we really, really are lucky, the GCA's/Dems will finally get the hint and stop this stupid witch hunt against firearms and actually go after tangible things that might actually have a positive outcome for a change.


Would they now? And what would those be?

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:58 am

Arlenton wrote:Really hoping the single issue gun rights advocates are preparing to vote.

I think the Democratic party has got them all riled up again out of belief that there's enough anti-gun Millennials to counter them.

I really hope they're not that stupid.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:39 am

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Indeed. The other 49 are just our outlying territories. :D
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:06 am

Germanic Templars wrote:Best gun control method is repealing the Hughes Amendment.


Best gun control is repealing all infringements. ;)
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Indeed.

And if we really, really are lucky, the GCA's/Dems will finally get the hint and stop this stupid witch hunt against firearms and actually go after tangible things that might actually have a positive outcome for a change.


Would they now? And what would those be?

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Are you implying that crime is caused by possessing a gun?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Would they now? And what would those be?

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Are you implying that crime is caused by possessing a gun?


:blink: No.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:55 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:

Are you implying that crime is caused by possessing a gun?


:blink: No.


So why target possession of guns if they aren't the cause of the problem you're trying to fix?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:56 pm

Judging by David Hogg's response to Laura Ingraham's apology, I'm 100% convinced that he's an absolute prick.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:57 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Judging by David Hogg's response to Laura Ingraham's apology, I'm 100% convinced that he's an absolute prick.


What was his response?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:06 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Judging by David Hogg's response to Laura Ingraham's apology, I'm 100% convinced that he's an absolute prick.


What was his response?

Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".
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Postby Valgora » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:09 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Valgora wrote:
What was his response?

Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".


Oh
I read on the topic about David Hogg and Ingraham, but I didn't see where Ingraham actually apologized.

I personally don't like either of them.
And like I said in that Ingraham vs. Hogg topic: "I could care less about a boycott"
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:10 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Valgora wrote:
What was his response?

Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".


Do you have a link?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:12 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".


Do you have a link?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/fox-news-star-laura-ingraham-apologizes-for-post-on-david-hogg-s-college-rejections-1198247491839
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:24 pm

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:48 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Valgora wrote:
What was his response?

Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".


Eh, she's really a cunt so I can see where he's coming from. Her apology didn't seem all that genuine so, yeah, fuck her.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:11 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Basically "you're just trying to save your sponsorships, everyone keep boycotting Laura Ingraham!".


Eh, she's really a cunt so I can see where he's coming from. Her apology didn't seem all that genuine so, yeah, fuck her.


And he's really a cunt too, so I can see where she's coming from. He didn't deserve her apology in the first place, so, yeah, fuck him.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Eh, she's really a cunt so I can see where he's coming from. Her apology didn't seem all that genuine so, yeah, fuck her.


And he's really a cunt too, so I can see where she's coming from. He didn't deserve her apology in the first place, so, yeah, fuck him.


Fuck both of them really.
He should have just ignored her tweet, because that's what I would have done.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:16 pm

Valgora wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And he's really a cunt too, so I can see where she's coming from. He didn't deserve her apology in the first place, so, yeah, fuck him.


Fuck both of them really.
He should have just ignored her tweet, because that's what I would have done.


But that doesn't get him the adoration of other juvenile assholes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Fuck both of them really.
He should have just ignored her tweet, because that's what I would have done.


But that doesn't get him the adoration of other juvenile assholes.


People who oppose guns are juvenile assholes?

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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But that doesn't get him the adoration of other juvenile assholes.


People who oppose guns are juvenile assholes?


You're not allowed to be emotionally traumatized by gun violence after experiencing gun violence, or have an opinion that gun violence is bad after experiencing gun violence. Fuckin' Millenials whining about getting shot at, amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But that doesn't get him the adoration of other juvenile assholes.


People who oppose guns are juvenile assholes?


Or adult assholes, if they're adults.

Torrocca wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
People who oppose guns are juvenile assholes?


You're not allowed to be emotionally traumatized by gun violence after experiencing gun violence, or have an opinion that gun violence is bad after experiencing gun violence. Fuckin' Millenials whining about getting shot at, amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


"I'm concerned about violence and want to reduce it" =/= "I want to deprive people of integral rights"
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
People who oppose guns are juvenile assholes?


You're not allowed to be emotionally traumatized by gun violence after experiencing gun violence, or have an opinion that gun violence is bad after experiencing gun violence. Fuckin' Millenials whining about getting shot at, amirite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


"I'm concerned about violence and want to reduce it" =/= "I want to deprive people of integral rights"[/quote]

Have you considered explaining in fine, calm discourse why that specific sentiment is wrong and what they should really focus on instead (that being the core issues leading to gun violence, like the various socioeconomic, political, mental health, and cultural issues plaguing the country)?
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