The East Pacific // Updates & News..

[The East Pacific Foreign Service]

This thread shall be used by TEP officially to post updates, news, and other messages to the greater NS World.

[Queen Yuno]

(The thread OP is Aeneas Prime)

[Aeneas Prime]

NOTICE OF JOINT ACTION

3/27/2018

Effective immediately we are hereby blacklisting The Black Hawks. TBH is an exemplar of values incongruent with our own. Exploiting the GCRs for gains and attempting to manipulate their regional communities to capitulate into demands for support while offering nothing of substance in return.We solemnly believe that this constitutes a significant risk to the continued stability and sovereignty of our governments.

What this means, in plain English:

- Embassies and Consulates with TBH will be closed if applicable.

- All members from TBH will be denied entry and residency.

- TWPAF and EPSA will cease supporting TBH-led or backed operations.

- Failure to disclose membership in TBH for new members is cause for immediate removal.

- All individuals who are a member of TWP or TEP and are concurrently a member of TBH have one week from the posting of this notice to decide which community they will remain in. The deadline, so that it is explicitly stated, is Tuesday April 3rd.

Signed -

Supreme Loligarch Yuno

Delegate of The West Pacific Davelands

Minister of Foreign Affairs, TEP - Aeneas Prime

[Lord Dominator]

Hmm, so it appears I'm now explicitly banned from entering TEP, TWP, TP; and I wouldn't be surprised if TSP or TRR is on that list. Anyone know what conditions trigger being banned from TNP?

[Nakarisaune]

Hmm, so it appears I'm now explicitly banned from entering TEP, TWP, TP; and I wouldn't be surprised if TSP or TRR is on that list. Anyone know what conditions trigger being banned from TNP?

TSP and TRR aren't on that list

An interesting announcement. Should be fascinating to see what follows.

[Cormactopia Prime]

- All members from TBH will be denied entry and residency.

Since TWP doesn't seem particularly inclined toward transparency, would TEP like to provide an explanation for this?

[Fratt]

- All individuals who are a member of TWP or TEP and are concurrently a member of TBH have one week from the posting of this notice to decide which community they will remain in.

Asking this as a general question: is the above (forbidding or stripping citizenship by executive order - unless the Magisterium has passed a law to that effect that I missed) legally possible in TEP?

I wouldn't be surprised if TSP or TRR is on that list.

Unlikely for either (or TNP).

[Lord Dominator]

- All individuals who are a member of TWP or TEP and are concurrently a member of TBH have one week from the posting of this notice to decide which community they will remain in.

Asking this as a general question: is the above (forbidding or stripping citizenship by executive order - unless the Magisterium has passed a law to that effect that I missed) legally possible in TEP?

I wouldn't be surprised if TSP or TRR is on that list.

Unlikely for either (or TNP).

So I'm told, which does honestly surprise me. Except TNP, I need to find out how to get banned from there

[Tim Stark]

While this is a bold move by The East Pacific and The West Pacific, it certainly seems like a necessary preventative measure to ensure that UCRs understand that GCRs are not their cookie jars to dip grubby hands into.

It should be interesting to see how this will develops further.

[Cormactopia Prime]

While this is a bold move by The East Pacific and The West Pacific, it certainly seems like a necessary preventative measure to ensure that UCRs understand that GCRs are not their cookie jars to dip grubby hands into.

It would be nice if they would first demonstrate with one tiny bit of information that TBH has ever treated either of them that way, and additionally, do so in such a way that demonstrates that proscribing an entire region was necessary rather than just one person.

They've blacklisted the root administrator of Osiris, a treaty ally to both regions, for example, and that's just for starters.

This is entirely Xoriet's doing, and the sooner we all acknowledge that two Feeders made irrational policy based on the vindictive whims of one person, a person who adopts people with the express purpose to inflict emotional upset on someone else in her NS family, the better off we will all be.

[Devi Vytherin]

While this is a bold move by The East Pacific and The West Pacific, it certainly seems like a necessary preventative measure to ensure that UCRs understand that GCRs are not their cookie jars to dip grubby hands into.

It should be interesting to see how this will develops further.

>warden-commander of TGW
>founder of Spiritus

I look forward to the UCR people avoiding dipping their grubby hands into the cookie jar in the future yes

[Eluvatar]

Asking this as a general question: is the above (forbidding or stripping citizenship by executive order - unless the Magisterium has passed a law to that effect that I missed) legally possible in TEP?



Unlikely for either (or TNP).

So I'm told, which does honestly surprise me. Except TNP, I need to find out how to get banned from there

Going by historical evidence, to be declared persona non grata or denied admission to the Regional Assembly (without resorting to OOC offenses) one should do one of the following:

1. Coup TNP.
2. Coup an ally of TNP.
3. Write a series of newspaper pieces relentlessly critical of The North Pacific and its policy of invading Nazi regions when possible.

(I apologize if I've forgotten someone)

[Tim Stark]

While this is a bold move by The East Pacific and The West Pacific, it certainly seems like a necessary preventative measure to ensure that UCRs understand that GCRs are not their cookie jars to dip grubby hands into.

It would be nice if they would first demonstrate with one tiny bit of information that TBH has ever treated either of them that way, and additionally, do so in such a way that demonstrates that proscribing an entire region was necessary rather than just one person.

They've blacklisted the root administrator of Osiris, a treaty ally to both regions, for example, and that's just for starters.

I am sure that if the parties involved feel that evidence would be appropriate to provide, they will do so. I've certainly heard plenty behind the scenes regarding The Black Hawks attempting to manipulate GCR regions to their own devices, so I have no doubt that these two regions have some pretty convincing reasoning to be making such a move. Both have been generally close in cooperation with The Black Hawks over the past year, so this policy direction would indicate that some shit definitely went down.

They've blacklisted a lot of people with this. Clearly they feel that this is a necessary move to prevent The Black Hawks from attempting to exert subversive influence over their regions.

[Solorni]

So I'm told, which does honestly surprise me. Except TNP, I need to find out how to get banned from there

Going by historical evidence, to be declared persona non grata or denied admission to the Regional Assembly (without resorting to OOC offenses) one should do one of the following:

1. Coup TNP.
2. Coup an ally of TNP.
3. Write a series of newspaper pieces relentlessly critical of The North Pacific and its policy of invading Nazi regions when possible.

(I apologize if I've forgotten someone)

Are you saying Durk never couped TNP?

[Cormactopia Prime]

So I'm told, which does honestly surprise me. Except TNP, I need to find out how to get banned from there

Going by historical evidence, to be declared persona non grata or denied admission to the Regional Assembly (without resorting to OOC offenses) one should do one of the following:

1. Coup TNP.
2. Coup an ally of TNP.
3. Write a series of newspaper pieces relentlessly critical of The North Pacific and its policy of invading Nazi regions when possible.

(I apologize if I've forgotten someone)

4. Be Cormac.

It would be nice if they would first demonstrate with one tiny bit of information that TBH has ever treated either of them that way, and additionally, do so in such a way that demonstrates that proscribing an entire region was necessary rather than just one person.

They've blacklisted the root administrator of Osiris, a treaty ally to both regions, for example, and that's just for starters.

I am sure that if the parties involved feel that evidence would be appropriate to provide, they will do so. I've certainly heard plenty behind the scenes regarding The Black Hawks attempting to manipulate GCR regions to their own devices, so I have no doubt that these two regions have some pretty convincing reasoning to be making such a move. Both have been generally close in cooperation with The Black Hawks over the past year, so this policy direction would indicate that some shit definitely went down.

They've blacklisted a lot of people with this. Clearly they feel that this is a necessary move to prevent The Black Hawks from attempting to exert subversive influence over their regions.

This is not the tune you would be singing if one of the UCRs you're involved in had been blacklisted.

[The Noble Thatcherites]

Again, another terrible decision on TEPs side. :/

[Devi Vytherin]

This is not the tune you would be singing if one of the UCRs you're involved in had been blacklisted.

But his UCRs don't do the whole subversion thing

[Lord Dominator]

So I'm told, which does honestly surprise me. Except TNP, I need to find out how to get banned from there

Going by historical evidence, to be declared persona non grata or denied admission to the Regional Assembly (without resorting to OOC offenses) one should do one of the following:

1. Coup TNP.
2. Coup an ally of TNP.
3. Write a series of newspaper pieces relentlessly critical of The North Pacific and its policy of invading Nazi regions when possible.

(I apologize if I've forgotten someone)

Thanks, though those first two remain (currently) sadly beyond my ebil grasp

While this is a bold move by The East Pacific and The West Pacific, it certainly seems like a necessary preventative measure to ensure that UCRs understand that GCRs are not their cookie jars to dip grubby hands into.

It should be interesting to see how this will develops further.

>warden-commander of TGW
>founder of Spiritus

I look forward to the UCR people avoiding dipping their grubby hands into the cookie jar in the future yes

So do I

[Tim Stark]

This is not the tune you would be singing if one of the UCRs you're involved in had been blacklisted.

>warden-commander of TGW
>founder of Spiritus

I look forward to the UCR people avoiding dipping their grubby hands into the cookie jar in the future yes

This is the exact tune I would be singing. The two UCRs in which I am involved respect regional sovereignty, and don't engage in the kind of subversive tactics we have seen from groups like the UDL or TBH. There is a clear difference between being involved in both UCRs and GCRs, and specifically carrying a UCR agenda into the GCR when you interact with it.

The Spiritus community is more or less content in our current semi-dormant status quo, and I can't really imagine any plot to control the actions of a GCR originating from there. I'm also regularly called an absentee founder, so I dunno how much a claim that I'm carrying any agenda of Spiritus would hold up. The Order of the Grey Wardens does not partake in the subversion Game Created Regions. Should such developments occur that would clearly indicate that TGW has been involved in the subversion of Game Created Regions, I would be fully prepared to depart from The Order. That's a stance I have stated before, that's a stance I will continue to state, and TGW still has not been tied to any subversion attempts in the GCRs.

[Devi Vytherin]

The Order of the Grey Wardens does not partake in the subversion Game Created Regions.

I laughed.

[Tim-Opolis]

The Order of the Grey Wardens does not partake in the subversion Game Created Regions.

I laughed.

So did I. I'm of the belief that we do not participate in the subversion of Game Created Regions, and it's frankly been a founding pillar of The Order since back in '16.

If you have evidence contrary to the fact, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would appreciate seeing it.

[Lord Dominator]

Coulda sworn there was something about Lazarus there and TGW not getting involved, which if I'm not mistaken was the exact same thing that TBH did. Funny, that a region being accused of subversion wasn't involved there...

[Fauxia]

Coulda sworn there was something about Lazarus there and TGW not getting involved, which if I'm not mistaken was the exact same thing that TBH did. Funny, that a region being accused of subversion wasn't involved there...

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden and is still a Warden, is inactive

[Solorni]

Coulda sworn there was something about Lazarus there and TGW not getting involved, which if I'm not mistaken was the exact same thing that TBH did. Funny, that a region being accused of subversion wasn't involved there...

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden is still a Warden, and they are inactive

Has TGW ever gotten involved in other GCRs?

[Fauxia]

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden is still a Warden, and they are inactive

Has TGW ever gotten involved in other GCRs?

No, because it has a policy of not interfering with GCR politics.