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Was Trotsky Polyamorous?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:27 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Reikoku wrote:It does to people who are familiar with Fascism.


No, the reverse is true. Referring to proletarian democracy as fascist, in any sense, shows a lack of understanding of proletarian democracy.

And fascism.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 pm

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Can I get a man-bun?

It would certainly help.


Wonderful.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:31 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Reikoku wrote:It does to people who are familiar with Fascism.


No, the reverse is true. Referring to proletarian democracy as fascist, in any sense, shows a lack of understanding of proletarian democracy.


What do you think Fascist corporatism is?

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Postby Questers » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Questers wrote: u sure?

I'd remember if I'd been raised by a Kermit-voiced weirdo who thinks lipstick = consent to sex.

Isn’t it?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:48 pm

Questers wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd remember if I'd been raised by a Kermit-voiced weirdo who thinks lipstick = consent to sex.

Isn’t it?

Now listen here, bucko... :P
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:48 pm

Liriena wrote:And fascism.


Yes, but it is interesting observing the people who object to my posting.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:49 pm

Reikoku wrote:What do you think Fascist corporatism is?


It is fascist corporatism.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
No, the reverse is true. Referring to proletarian democracy as fascist, in any sense, shows a lack of understanding of proletarian democracy.

And fascism.

Isn't proletarian democracy just the modern version of peasant republicanism?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:I don't think believing in the legitimacy of Tsarist rule makes one far right necessarily (or being a monarchist in general). Tsarist Russia was a multiethnic state that a decent degree of tolerance for other religions, at any rate it's a far cry from "muh white skin shows muh superiority" and things that usually crawl out of the far right.


It may be considered far right in a certain sense, especially if you support absolute monarchy. It may be different from the popular stereotype of what "far right" means, but it certainly is right wing.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:04 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Reikoku wrote:What do you think Fascist corporatism is?


It is fascist corporatism.


Peak polsci.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:04 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:I don't think believing in the legitimacy of Tsarist rule makes one far right necessarily (or being a monarchist in general). Tsarist Russia was a multiethnic state that a decent degree of tolerance for other religions, at any rate it's a far cry from "muh white skin shows muh superiority" and things that usually crawl out of the far right.


It may be considered far right in a certain sense, especially if you support absolute monarchy. It may be different from the popular stereotype of what "far right" means, but it certainly is right wing.


I could probably be considered far-right, although my beliefs are pretty far from Nazism and Fascism.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:27 pm

You can find strange things digging through old Nationstates threads.

An ideology thread before the influx of ideology threads:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=209624
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:30 pm

Questers wrote:fascist is a word liberals and libertarians use to refer to their dad when he tells them to clean their room

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:36 pm

Liriena wrote:
Questers wrote: u sure?

I'd remember if I'd been raised by a Kermit-voiced weirdo who thinks lipstick = consent to sex.

Does he really tho?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:11 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'd remember if I'd been raised by a Kermit-voiced weirdo who thinks lipstick = consent to sex.

Does he really tho?

He made a very weird (to be extremely generous) point about sexual harrassment in the workplace and how men can't know when it's bad because lipstick is supposed to mimic sexual arousal and that apparently confuses our brains???
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:15 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Does he really tho?

He made a very weird (to be extremely generous) point about sexual harrassment in the workplace and how men can't know when it's bad because lipstick is supposed to mimic sexual arousal and that apparently confuses our brains???

Sauce.

The man is just another stuffy tradcon with a "baddass intellectual" sugar coating.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:27 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:You can find strange things digging through old Nationstates threads.

An ideology thread before the influx of ideology threads:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=209624

An appropriately sized thread for the intellectual depth of that ideology

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Postby Liriena » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:35 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:You can find strange things digging through old Nationstates threads.

An ideology thread before the influx of ideology threads:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=209624

An appropriately sized thread for the intellectual depth of that ideology

You meanie :P
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:40 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:Them's fightin' words, m88.

Come at me, bro.

Did you just assume my gender? Unironically. Just so you know, I'm a woman.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:42 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:And fascism.

Isn't proletarian democracy just the modern version of peasant republicanism?

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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:39 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:And fascism.

Isn't proletarian democracy just the modern version of peasant republicanism?

It's impossible to talk about proletarian democracy unqualified, because various tendencies have meant very different things by it. A Stalinist apparatchik would talk about proletarian democracy being the backbone of the Soviet Union right up until the moment the GUGB beats him until he signs a false confession of being an English spy and is shot in the basement of Lubjanka.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:45 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:And fascism.

Isn't proletarian democracy just the modern version of peasant republicanism?

No, peasants owned property privately, no collectively
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:47 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
It may be considered far right in a certain sense, especially if you support absolute monarchy. It may be different from the popular stereotype of what "far right" means, but it certainly is right wing.


I could probably be considered far-right, although my beliefs are pretty far from Nazism and Fascism.

I don't see how you are far right, you are a tradition loathing futurist
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:52 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Come at me, bro.

Did you just assume my gender? Unironically. Just so you know, I'm a woman.


Did you just assume by my using the term "bro" I automatically use it only with males? You just triggered me, just so you know.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:54 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Did you just assume my gender? Unironically. Just so you know, I'm a woman.


Did you just assume by my using the term "bro" I automatically use it only with males? You just triggered me, just so you know.

Pfft, what sort of a sick, reactionary family would have only male brothers?
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