The future of religion

[Minzerland II]

No. I said that people often forget to reason when overcome with grief, otherwise known as mourning. This is not the same as becoming a disbeliever or discarding them, ffs.

It doesn't matter what they maintain before or after the period of grief. That's the whole point of the saying.

The saying "there are no atheists in a foxholes" declares that despite what you may profess before or after, in periods of high emotion, i.e. being fucking bombed, "atheists" will still pray to god or whatever. The counter argument is exactly the opposite, that in periods of high emotion, despite what they may have professed before or after, people still fear death, and mourn the dead, despite their beliefs logically holding that such fears and mournings are not necessary.

This is something that you yourself conceeded, that in periods of high emotion people forget their faith, and that's the exact point of the argument.

Again, it doesn't matter what they believe before. It doesn't matter what they believe after. What matters is what they believe in the moment.

Which is exactly why I clarified in saying that forgetting one's belief is not disbelief, these are not the same. Theists are still theists in the moment and atheists are still atheists in the moment. I am not suddenly a nonbeliever because I forget to pray before each meal, or not the think about my faith. I am not suddenly not a true believer because I forget or do something against the faith. That entire line of reasoning is moronic.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's considerably less than the 80+% of the 1980's.

That's surprisingly high, got some stats on that? Pinpointing a particular decade is a little harder that just changing the name of the country.

Well, I was wrong looking up; misremembered, it was 60% atheist, but since then, but it is only 38% who are atheist now.

[Alvecia]

It doesn't matter what they maintain before or after the period of grief. That's the whole point of the saying.

The saying "there are no atheists in a foxholes" declares that despite what you may profess before or after, in periods of high emotion, i.e. being fucking bombed, "atheists" will still pray to god or whatever. The counter argument is exactly the opposite, that in periods of high emotion, despite what they may have professed before or after, people still fear death, and mourn the dead, despite their beliefs logically holding that such fears and mournings are not necessary.

This is something that you yourself conceeded, that in periods of high emotion people forget their faith, and that's the exact point of the argument.

Again, it doesn't matter what they believe before. It doesn't matter what they believe after. What matters is what they believe in the moment.

Which is exactly why I clarified in saying that forgetting one's belief is not disbelief, these are not the same. Theists are still theists in the moment and atheists are still atheists in the moment. I am not suddenly a nonbeliever because I forget to pray before each meal, or not the think about my faith. I am not suddenly not a true believer because I forget or do something against the faith.

We're not talking about forgetting to do whatever silly ritual you think you should be doing. We're talking about literal disbelief in the core beliefs of the ideology.

[The Ozark Frontier]

Which is exactly why I clarified in saying that forgetting one's belief is not disbelief, these are not the same. Theists are still theists in the moment and atheists are still atheists in the moment. I am not suddenly a nonbeliever because I forget to pray before each meal, or not the think about my faith. I am not suddenly not a true believer because I forget or do something against the faith.

We're not talking about forgetting to do whatever silly ritual you think you should be doing. We're talking about literal disbelief in the core beliefs of the ideology.

It’s not disbelief it is mourning that you will not see them for a long time.

[Minzerland II]

Which is exactly why I clarified in saying that forgetting one's belief is not disbelief, these are not the same. Theists are still theists in the moment and atheists are still atheists in the moment. I am not suddenly a nonbeliever because I forget to pray before each meal, or not the think about my faith. I am not suddenly not a true believer because I forget or do something against the faith.

We're not talking about forgetting to do whatever silly ritual you think you should be doing. We're talking about literal disbelief in the core beliefs of the ideology.

No. According to you, forgetting a belief is tantamount to disbelief. Your posts have been repeating that moronic argument for a hour.

[Liriena]

I don't think religion will disappear entirely, but faith will probably change into something a lot more abstract and more flexible.

[Alvecia]

We're not talking about forgetting to do whatever silly ritual you think you should be doing. We're talking about literal disbelief in the core beliefs of the ideology.

It’s not disbelief it is mourning that you will not see them for a long time.

Anyone who is distraught enough to mourn such a thing does not truly believe it.

[Alvecia]

We're not talking about forgetting to do whatever silly ritual you think you should be doing. We're talking about literal disbelief in the core beliefs of the ideology.

No. According to you, forgetting a belief is tantamount to disbelief. Your posts have been repeating that moronic argument for a hour.

Well yes. No longer believing is tantamount to no longer believing.

In fact I'd go as far as to say the two are basically identical.

[The Ozark Frontier]

It’s not disbelief it is mourning that you will not see them for a long time.

Anyone who is distraught enough to mourn such a thing does not truly believe it.

I Don’t mourn it. I honestly dont know why any believer would mourn. I’m just trying to make sence of it.

[Minzerland II]

No. According to you, forgetting a belief is tantamount to disbelief. Your posts have been repeating that moronic argument for a hour.

Well yes. No longer believing is tantamount to no longer believing.

In fact I'd go as far as to say the two are basically identical.

Forgetting a belief is not disbelief.

[Firaxin]

No. According to you, forgetting a belief is tantamount to disbelief. Your posts have been repeating that moronic argument for a hour.

Well yes. No longer believing is tantamount to no longer believing.

In fact I'd go as far as to say the two are basically identical.

You forgot about an old movie series.

Now you don't believe the movie series exists?

[Republic of the Cristo]

Well yes. No longer believing is tantamount to no longer believing.

In fact I'd go as far as to say the two are basically identical.

You forgot about an old movie series.

Now you don't believe the movie series exists?

There is a difference between denial of existence and ignorance.

[Dylar]

It’s not disbelief it is mourning that you will not see them for a long time.

Anyone who is distraught enough to mourn such a thing does not truly believe it.

So I don't believe in death?

Anyway, we mourn our relatives leaving this world. If you think about it, it's almost the same as mourning your relatives/friends who join the military and go off to war. You don't know if you'll see them again, which is why you mourn, because this might be the last time you ever see them in person ever again.

[Firaxin]

You forgot about an old movie series.

Now you don't believe the movie series exists?

There is a difference between denial of existence and ignorance.

Exactly. It isn't disbelief. It's simple momentary ignorance. As a theist myself, I wouldn't completely understand this either, as I don't go into deep sorrow when someone dies. So far all the people I loved that died were good people. Although one of them killed themselves and I really hope God can forgive that.

[Taviana SSR]

It would be hard to overestimate the role that religion has played in human history, from the primitive animism of early times to the complex theologies of today. In spite of the development of nihilism and secularism, religion remains a major role in human affairs, and it appears that it will continue to many years in the future.

What do you think the future of religion will entail, based on the trends of today?

My opinion is that we'll end up seeing newer religions be created which will eventually overtake older forms, based on these new religions being able to accommodate modern people's needs better than older ones. I think Mormonism is one example of this, where instead of people seeing places such as Jerusalem and the Middle East (places they'd never been to) as the center of holy events, they identified them with places in the US. Sometimes these religions may develop from older ones, such as Tenrikyō from Shinto, but others will mostly be independently formed, such as Scientology.

Religion is an illusion that provides reasons and excuses to keep society functioning just as it is. Much as capitalism takes productive labor and alienates us from its value, religion takes highest ideals and aspirations and alienates us from them, projecting them onto an alien and unknowable being called a god.

Religion is irrational, a delusion and a worship of appearances that avoids recognizing underlying reality. Is also negates all that is dignified in a human being by rendering them servile and more amenable to accepting the status quo.

In the preface to his doctoral dissertation, Karl Marx adopted as his motto the words of the Greek hero Prometheus who defied the gods to bring fire to humanity: “I hate all gods,” with addition that they “do not recognize man’s self-consciousness as the highest divinity.”

Furthermore, Religion is very hypocritical.Although it might profess valuable principles, it always sides with the oppressors. Jesus advocated helping the poor, but the Christian church merged with the oppressive Roman state, taking part in the enslavement of people for centuries. The problem is that many workers have not yet achieved ideological independence from the petty bourgeoisie and the leaders of Al Qaida, Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State are all representatives of the petty bourgeoisie.

We must always understand clearly that religion is opium for the people. In no instance should we alter our view on this and we must not allow religious propaganda to be spread.

Those who have adopted and exploited religion to exert social oppression over workers and to exploit them in the most ferocious ways are the anti-popular oppressive regimes and the reactionary clergy.

They have protected and continue to protect their blood-thirsty power through the weapons and support which they have received from abroad, that is, from the capitalists, the neo-colonialist robbers, as well as through inciting and developing religious fanaticism.

The struggle against such outdated opressive customs, traditions, norms and religious world outlooks is a protracted, complicated and difficult struggle:

Not only should mosques and churches etc. be forced to close, we have to spiritually and ideologically prepare believers to understand the futility of these institutions, to eradicate religion from the habits of their existence and give up its practices with full conviction.

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

If I had to say where I wish it were going was a more non-religious society, where religion becomes near if not completely non-existent. If not that, then phased out by a much more reasonable sensible religion that is adapted to modern society.

However where I see it going is a complete turn over to Islam that begins to change society drastically and puts us in some sort of modern dark age until the religion suffers from a reformation of some sort. If not that, then some new religion started by dominating modern institutions like corporations.

[The Ozark Frontier]

If I had to say where I wish it were going was a more non-religious society, where religion becomes near if not completely non-existent. If not that, then phased out by a much more reasonable sensible religion that is adapted to modern society.

However where I see it going is a complete turn over to Islam that begins to change society drastically and puts us in some sort of modern dark age until the religion suffers from a reformation of some sort. If not that, then some new religion started by dominating modern institutions like corporations.

Ohboyheregoesmynerves.jpeg

Why so Hostile toward Religions such as Christianity?

[Firaxin]

It would be hard to overestimate the role that religion has played in human history, from the primitive animism of early times to the complex theologies of today. In spite of the development of nihilism and secularism, religion remains a major role in human affairs, and it appears that it will continue to many years in the future.

What do you think the future of religion will entail, based on the trends of today?

My opinion is that we'll end up seeing newer religions be created which will eventually overtake older forms, based on these new religions being able to accommodate modern people's needs better than older ones. I think Mormonism is one example of this, where instead of people seeing places such as Jerusalem and the Middle East (places they'd never been to) as the center of holy events, they identified them with places in the US. Sometimes these religions may develop from older ones, such as Tenrikyō from Shinto, but others will mostly be independently formed, such as Scientology.

Religion is an illusion that provides reasons and excuses to keep society functioning just as it is. Much as capitalism takes productive labor and alienates us from its value, religion takes highest ideals and aspirations and alienates us from them, projecting them onto an alien and unknowable being called a god.

Religion is irrational, a delusion and a worship of appearances that avoids recognizing underlying reality. Is also negates all that is dignified in a human being by rendering them servile and more amenable to accepting the status quo.

In the preface to his doctoral dissertation, Karl Marx adopted as his motto the words of the Greek hero Prometheus who defied the gods to bring fire to humanity: “I hate all gods,” with addition that they “do not recognize man’s self-consciousness as the highest divinity.”

Furthermore, Religion is very hypocritical.Although it might profess valuable principles, it always sides with the oppressors. Jesus advocated helping the poor, but the Christian church merged with the oppressive Roman state, taking part in the enslavement of people for centuries. The problem is that many workers have not yet achieved ideological independence from the petty bourgeoisie and the leaders of Al Qaida, Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State are all representatives of the petty bourgeoisie.

We must always understand clearly that religion is opium for the people. In no instance should we alter our view on this and we must not allow religious propaganda to be spread.

Those who have adopted and exploited religion to exert social oppression over workers and to exploit them in the most ferocious ways are the anti-popular oppressive regimes and the reactionary clergy.

They have protected and continue to protect their blood-thirsty power through the weapons and support which they have received from abroad, that is, from the capitalists, the neo-colonialist robbers, as well as through inciting and developing religious fanaticism.

The struggle against such outdated opressive customs, traditions, norms and religious world outlooks is a protracted, complicated and difficult struggle:

Not only should mosques and churches etc. be forced to close, we have to spiritually and ideologically prepare believers to understand the futility of these institutions, to eradicate religion from the habits of their existence and give up its practices with full conviction.

Your confusing Human Corruption with Religion. People can be evil and good. Just because the Church can be a huge asshole doesn't mean God is. Never trust anyone, not your boss, not your nation, not your church, not even yourself.

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

If I had to say where I wish it were going was a more non-religious society, where religion becomes near if not completely non-existent. If not that, then phased out by a much more reasonable sensible religion that is adapted to modern society.

However where I see it going is a complete turn over to Islam that begins to change society drastically and puts us in some sort of modern dark age until the religion suffers from a reformation of some sort. If not that, then some new religion started by dominating modern institutions like corporations.

Ohboyheregoesmynerves.jpeg

Why so Hostile toward Religions such as Christianity?

I never mentioned Christianity.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

There is a difference between denial of existence and ignorance.

Exactly. It isn't disbelief. It's simple momentary ignorance. As a theist myself, I wouldn't completely understand this either, as I don't go into deep sorrow when someone dies. So far all the people I loved that died were good people. Although one of them killed themselves and I really hope God can forgive that.

With the possible exception of concussions, I don't believe one can be "momentarily ignorant".

Anyone who is distraught enough to mourn such a thing does not truly believe it.

So I don't believe in death?

Anyway, we mourn our relatives leaving this world. If you think about it, it's almost the same as mourning your relatives/friends who join the military and go off to war. You don't know if you'll see them again, which is why you mourn, because this might be the last time you ever see them in person ever again.

Using the word "mourning" there is a butchery of the English language. No one mourns a relative who goes to war. They worry about them. A person. Who is still alive.

Forgetting one's beliefs is not the same as not truly believing. Usually, after the initial mourning, the faith of many are strengthened, in my experience.

No. They are still theists regardless of their emotional state. They aren't suddenly disbelievers. A man who screams to the skies above forsaking God does not suddenly become a disbeliever.

Doesn't that mean that if an atheist invokes some god or other in a moment of fear, they aren't really a theist? Therefore, there are atheists in foxholes?

"Will you please all get the fuck out of our holes!"

-what the fox says, probably

[The Ozark Frontier]

Ohboyheregoesmynerves.jpeg

Why so Hostile toward Religions such as Christianity?

I never mentioned Christianity.

“If I had to say where I wish it were going was a more non-religious society, where religion becomes near if not completely non-existent.”
-You

[Korasta]

I imagine places such as the Middle East and the more rural parts of South America will one day be known as the "last bastions of religion". In other words, it's purpose has been served, and more and more people are waking up to reality.

[Prusswitonsiakekingkailand]

I never mentioned Christianity.

“If I had to say where I wish it were going was a more non-religious society, where religion becomes near if not completely non-existent.”
-You

I didn't specifically point out Christianity though.

[The Ozark Frontier]

I imagine places such as the Middle East and the more rural parts of South America will one day be known as the "last bastions of religion". In other words, it's purpose has been served, and more and more people are waking up to reality.

It’s Porpoise has hardly been served. Belive me, People cannot survive a Meaningless life like what Atheism Offers. Because in an Atheist Society, Your tiny, miniscule, Worthless. No one would care if you were to Kill yourself. Such a Sad Existence has no place in Life.

[Datlofff]

*Stares With*

Teutonic bros

There's 3 of us now, we can now be a Teutonic order.

Deus Vult