Jackania yugo wrote:So...why is the EU allowing all these third world immigrants and should they be stopped?
1. My main two hypothesis are a sense of humanitarian obligation and a need for new young workers as native European population ages.
2. No.
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by Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:44 am
Jackania yugo wrote:So...why is the EU allowing all these third world immigrants and should they be stopped?
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by Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:49 am
Jackania yugo wrote:so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.
What are those?
Is it a bad thing?
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by Pilarcraft » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:49 am
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by Proctopeo » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:53 am
Liriena wrote:Jackania yugo wrote:so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.
What are those?
Is it a bad thing?
I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
by Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:55 am
Proctopeo wrote:Liriena wrote:I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
That's one hell of a hot take.
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by Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:02 am
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:04 am
Liriena wrote:Jackania yugo wrote:so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.
What are those?
Is it a bad thing?
I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:23 pm
by Jelmatt » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:24 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Liriena wrote:I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
That's one hell of a hot take.
by Reikoku » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:02 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Reikoku wrote:Can't help you there. Not a Marxist.
Jean-Paul Sartre adopted Marxism in the last part of his career. He argued that his existentialism, and his notion of an existential crisis, was fulfilled by revolutionary Marxism. For Sartre, Marxism gave him a life purpose. However, existential Marxism did not survive for long after Sartre's death.
Although I am not personally an existentialist, I think that there is much in Sartre's Marxist turn which some original thinker could draw upon and revise.
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:He argued that his existentialism, and his notion of an existential crisis, was fulfilled by revolutionary Marxism.
by Victoriala II » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:29 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Liriena wrote:I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
That's one hell of a hot take.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:44 pm
Jackania yugo wrote:What does reactionary mean?
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:48 pm
Reikoku wrote:Honestly I have no idea who you're talking to at this point, because it's certainly not me.
Existentialism has the beauty that it's different for each person. Existence before essence.
by Reikoku » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:50 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Reikoku wrote:Honestly I have no idea who you're talking to at this point, because it's certainly not me.
Existentialism is not my thing either. However, I have studied it. There is a minor branch of my field called existential sociology. The basic idea is that life has no inherent meaning, so we need to create meaning intentionally.
by The Grene Knyght » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:53 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:The Grene Knyght wrote:"reactionary
/rɪˈakʃ(ə)n(ə)ri/
adjective
1.
opposing political or social progress or reform."
Why are you arguing about whether or not this guy is a reactionary of you don't know what the term means?
When I hear reactionary, I hear "far-right," not "opposing progress or reform." "Reactionary" is a very charged word, but your definition could mean anything.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:42 pm
Reikoku wrote:It's not about whether or not it's my philosophy, but the fact it has absolutely nothing to do with my post.
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by Reikoku » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Liriena wrote:Jackania yugo wrote:so...most youtube "skeptics" are classic liberals.
What are those?
Is it a bad thing?
I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:24 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Reikoku wrote:Honestly I have no idea who you're talking to at this point, because it's certainly not me.
Existentialism is not my thing either. However, I have studied it. There is a minor branch of my field called existential sociology. The basic idea is that life has no inherent meaning, so we need to create meaning intentionally.Existentialism has the beauty that it's different for each person. Existence before essence.
Yes, to Sartre, who we are in essence is a product of our individual existence.
by New Emeline » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:24 pm
Reikoku wrote:Liriena wrote:I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
Well, if socialism becomes the dominant ideology, it'll be the root of all modern problems.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:34 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:So we're a product of our existence? No shit tbh.
by Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:36 pm
Reikoku wrote:Liriena wrote:I mean, if you ask a socialist they are certainly going to tell you that liberalism in general is bad because it's kind of the root of all modern problems. That being said, my beef with the "classical liberals" of today is that their "classical liberalism" is often kind of what was described in Voltaire's bastards, or just reactionary politics with an Enlightenment thought sticker slapped on.
Well, if socialism becomes the dominant ideology, it'll be the root of all modern problems.
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by Aillyria » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:25 pm
Jackania yugo wrote:So...why is the EU allowing all these third world immigrants and should they be stopped?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by Reikoku » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:32 pm
Aillyria wrote:Jackania yugo wrote:So...why is the EU allowing all these third world immigrants and should they be stopped?
1.) The EU elites want to destroy the separate cultures of the member states by flooding them with culturally alien immigrants so they can create a "European identity". Plus, they want the votes.
2.) Immigration should be stopped ASAP, and the Europeans should incentivize native population growth.
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