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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:38 pm

After the glut of articles demonizing males for the shooting epidemic, it's worth considering:

Lack of male role models, lack of male only organizations and clubs, in combination with the bromance studies and studies around the dynamics of gender role enforcement explain this. Men enforce gender roles when women are around, and less frequently when not. Men find it easier to talk about their emotions with men than with women. Women enforce gender roles on women regardless of male presence, and enforce them on men.

The solution is not more misandrous feminism, but less of it. Blaming men and concluding the solution to this is more feminism and more empowerment of women and such will only make the problem worse, but it's the only answer these peoples limited and dysfunctional worldview can offer them, as it is an answer they have arrived at before any evidence of a problem even emerges. (I.E, they pre-judge all situations, and there exists no evidence that will convince them they are wrong.)

Instead, what we need is either to be far more vigorous in confronting and deconstructing womens sexism, or more male only spaces and groups that will allow men to open up.

The reason men aren't talking is that there isn't anywhere they feel free to talk, because feminists destroyed all those places and refuse to properly accept the scope and depth of sexism in women and confront it, insisting that men are the bigger problem despite empirical evidence to the contrary. The glut of attacking male only spaces took place during a period of feminism where misandry was outright denied to be real, and even today that's a contentious notion for them with many still refusing to accept it. The consequence of that view was removing spaces necessary for mens wellbeing.

It's also worth looking at the escalation in rates of male suicide with this lens in mind, and putting both of these things at the door of the feminist movement and its perpetual string of failures, misandry, and inadequate solutions.

The example I posted earlier of the males only barber shop receiving death threats from feminists and eventually being bullied into opening to women too, and for instance, prestigious US universities banning male only groups but allowing sororities to continue. The crimes of feminism against men are not merely historical, but ongoing.

Feminism hasn't moved past this fuck up, it's still doing it, and feminists who "Don't support that" are absent from defending these groups, only turning up to defend their movements reputation when it is criticized.

You don't support these groups and mens spaces. You weren't there. Stop lying. You might not actively seek to destroy them like your peers, but you don't support them, and that is more than sufficient to conclude the feminist movement is inadequate, and cannot rightly claim to be an equality movement on behalf of both genders, that it needs to cede ground and accept the legitimacy of other movements.

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The "Support" of feminists who "Aren't like that" is not assisting men and their issues, it is assisting feminism to continue operating and pretending to be adequate.
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Postby New Emeline » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:45 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:After the glut of articles demonizing males for the shooting epidemic, it's worth considering:

Lack of male role models, lack of male only organizations and clubs, in combination with the bromance studies and studies around the dynamics of gender role enforcement explain this. Men enforce gender roles when women are around, and less frequently when not. Men find it easier to talk about their emotions with men than with women. Women enforce gender roles on women regardless of male presence, and enforce them on men.

The solution is not more misandrous feminism, but less of it. Blaming men and concluding the solution to this is more feminism and more empowerment of women and such will only make the problem worse, but it's the only answer these peoples limited and dysfunctional worldview can offer them, as it is an answer they have arrived at before any evidence of a problem even emerges. (I.E, they pre-judge all situations, and there exists no evidence that will convince them they are wrong.)

Instead, what we need is either to be far more vigorous in confronting and deconstructing womens sexism, or more male only spaces and groups that will allow men to open up.

The reason men aren't talking is that there isn't anywhere they feel free to talk, because feminists destroyed all those places and refuse to properly accept the scope and depth of sexism in women and confront it, insisting that men are the bigger problem despite empirical evidence to the contrary. The glut of attacking male only spaces took place during a period of feminism where misandry was outright denied to be real, and even today that's a contentious notion for them with many still refusing to accept it. The consequence of that view was removing spaces necessary for mens wellbeing.

It's also worth looking at the escalation in rates of male suicide with this lens in mind, and putting both of these things at the door of the feminist movement and its perpetual string of failures, misandry, and inadequate solutions.

The example I posted earlier of the males only barber shop receiving death threats from feminists and eventually being bullied into opening to women too, and for instance, prestigious US universities banning male only groups but allowing sororities to continue. The crimes of feminism against men are not merely historical, but ongoing.

Feminism hasn't moved past this fuck up, it's still doing it, and feminists who "Don't support that" are absent from defending these groups, only turning up to defend their movements reputation when it is criticized.

You don't support these groups and mens spaces. You weren't there. Stop lying. You might not actively seek to destroy them like your peers, but you don't support them, and that is more than sufficient to conclude the feminist movement is inadequate, and cannot rightly claim to be an equality movement on behalf of both genders, that it needs to cede ground and accept the legitimacy of other movements.

give assistance to, especially financially.


The "Support" of feminists who "Aren't like that" is not assisting men and their issues, it is assisting feminism to continue operating and pretending to be adequate.

Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but most "feminist" articles about mass shootings mirror what you are saying. Men are not allowed to emotionally express themselves and that's a problem I thought most everyone agreed with.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:36 pm

New Emeline wrote:Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but most "feminist" articles about mass shootings mirror what you are saying. Men are not allowed to emotionally express themselves and that's a problem I thought most everyone agreed with.

Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:12 pm

Galloism wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but most "feminist" articles about mass shootings mirror what you are saying. Men are not allowed to emotionally express themselves and that's a problem I thought most everyone agreed with.

Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

I'm not sure if I would say "majority perpetrated," because I'm not sure how you'd make that determination, but "majorly perpetrated" seems reasonable to me.

I would go further and say that sexism against women is also majorly perpetrated by women. Phyllis Schlafly comes to mind.
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Postby New Emeline » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:13 pm

Galloism wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but most "feminist" articles about mass shootings mirror what you are saying. Men are not allowed to emotionally express themselves and that's a problem I thought most everyone agreed with.

Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

Bromance bad for women? Who on earth is saying that?

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Postby Mattopilos II » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:17 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Galloism wrote:Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

Bromance bad for women? Who on earth is saying that?


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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:24 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Galloism wrote:Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

I'm not sure if I would say "majority perpetrated," because I'm not sure how you'd make that determination, but "majorly perpetrated" seems reasonable to me.

I would go further and say that sexism against women is also majorly perpetrated by women. Phyllis Schlafly comes to mind.

Basically, men enforce social norms mostly when women are around, and in this circumstances, enforce them as much as women do. Otherwise, they enforce them less. Women enforce the same regardless of the presence of men.

Now, that's not the same as "no enforcement" among men, but less.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:26 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Galloism wrote:Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

Bromance bad for women? Who on earth is saying that?


Who knows. I’ve heard some argue that bromances devalue the relationships between men and women, eventually culminating in the belief that women are objects to use and abandon (presumably to return to the safety of the bromance, as they say).

Like Matto said, “There are always the nuts, friend, always the nuts.”

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Postby Galloism » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:27 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Galloism wrote:Here's the thing - the bromance thing that everyone's afraid of and how horrible that will be for women? It proves men are willing to open up and talk - even want to - but need to do so in an environment where they won't be judged for doing so.

If feminists want to get men to open up, demonizing men is not the way to do it. It's to address the systemic sexism against men when they attempt to open up - primarily enforced by women (although men are secondary enforcers). If you want men to open up, you need to openly acknowledge and fight against the sexist behavior that is majority perpetrated by women.

Bromance bad for women? Who on earth is saying that?

Oh, just The National Post, Pacific Standard, The Telegraph, and a few others.

Time Magazine was a little more neutral, although they couldn't resist adding this scare bit at the end:

But they also express concern about traditional male-female relationships, writing that “the rise of the bromances may not altogether be liberating and socially positive for women.” Men in the study sometimes referred to their girlfriends using sexist or disdainful language, they wrote, and demonstrated an “us and them” mentality that suggested allegiance to their “bros” over their romantic partners.

The authors even suggest that these changing cultural norms could even have implications for where and how men choose to live—opting to move in with a male roommate rather than a girlfriend, for example, thus delaying or disrupting relationships that could eventually lead to marriage and starting a family. “Lovers are temporary,” one study participant said during his interview. “A bromance can last a lifetime.”
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Postby Computer Lab » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:49 pm

I appreciate the lengths they went to avoid saying "Bros before hos".

I also appreciate how they took a study that involved 30 heterosexual white males all in majors involving sports at a single college and acted like it was useful for anything but suggesting further research might be worthwhile.
I wish the media would stop grabbing new studies and running with them without caring about their validity.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:26 pm

Computer Lab wrote:I appreciate the lengths they went to avoid saying "Bros before hos".

I also appreciate how they took a study that involved 30 heterosexual white males all in majors involving sports at a single college and acted like it was useful for anything but suggesting further research might be worthwhile.
I wish the media would stop grabbing new studies and running with them without caring about their validity.


That's how feminism ended up with the 1/3 women being sexually assaulted claim. But it is reflective of the overly defensive and belligerent state of Western feminism, where if it doesn't benefit women it's bad.
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Postby Computer Lab » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:39 pm

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Computer Lab wrote:I appreciate the lengths they went to avoid saying "Bros before hos".

I also appreciate how they took a study that involved 30 heterosexual white males all in majors involving sports at a single college and acted like it was useful for anything but suggesting further research might be worthwhile.
I wish the media would stop grabbing new studies and running with them without caring about their validity.


That's how feminism ended up with the 1/3 women being sexually assaulted claim. But it is reflective of the overly defensive and belligerent state of Western feminism, where if it doesn't benefit women it's bad.

Waving around unverified/replicated studies with small heterogeneous samples isn't only a problem in Western feminism. Everyone does it.
I think it's a little disingenuous to disparage feminism alone.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:48 am

Computer Lab wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
That's how feminism ended up with the 1/3 women being sexually assaulted claim. But it is reflective of the overly defensive and belligerent state of Western feminism, where if it doesn't benefit women it's bad.

Waving around unverified/replicated studies with small heterogeneous samples isn't only a problem in Western feminism. Everyone does it.
I think it's a little disingenuous to disparage feminism alone.


As someone in the field of science, every time a scientific study is in the news, I just get mad because I know they are pulling shit out of their ass.
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Postby Knask » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:53 am

Galloism wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Bromance bad for women? Who on earth is saying that?

Oh, just The National Post, Pacific Standard, The Telegraph, and a few others.

Time Magazine was a little more neutral, although they couldn't resist adding this scare bit at the end:

Or, as it's also called, one study.

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Postby Mattopilos II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:10 am

Knask wrote:
Galloism wrote:Oh, just The National Post, Pacific Standard, The Telegraph, and a few others.

Time Magazine was a little more neutral, although they couldn't resist adding this scare bit at the end:

Or, as it's also called, one study.


B-but 3 people used it in separate places!
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Postby Hirota » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:45 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Knask wrote:Or, as it's also called, one study.


B-but 3 people used it in separate places!
Let's not pretend that a single study is the only time people have ever claimed "bromances" are sexist.

Guardian wrote:Yet, let's be honest with each other, here: the "bromance" genre has always been defined, not only by sexism (the men seem to love each other primarily because they aren't women: women, in these movies, are awful), but by homophobia.


I assume that only one study has been reported about because only one study has actually been carried out - previously all we had is some sketchy viewpoints with little evidence.

You're absolutely right to be critical insofar that it is a a single study (and one in a discipline that struggles with some of the key tenements of the scientific method - specifically reproducibility). You are also absolutely right because it looks like it is a very small study - 30 people.

I think the problem here though is it's a matter of confirmation bias. People are more likely to be believe something that fits their own personal beliefs. Everyone does it, so be wary of being too snarky of other people falling foul of it when you will inevitably fall foul of it yourself.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:35 am

Knask wrote:
Galloism wrote:Oh, just The National Post, Pacific Standard, The Telegraph, and a few others.

Time Magazine was a little more neutral, although they couldn't resist adding this scare bit at the end:

Or, as it's also called, one study.

Yes, it is one study, picked up by multiple media outlets to basically declare male to male friendships as scary and bad for women. Because we don’t care if anything is good or bad for men, only how effects women and children (especially children, but “give a damn” priority is basically children > women > most animals other than farm animals and vermin > men > farm animals > vermin).

Which is a fairly constant theme in our society, by the way.

Male birth control? Bad for women.

Being a stay at home dad? Extra hard for her (this article makes many valid points, but like most, it pays extra attention to the woman in the relationship as suffering)

Eliminating net neutrality? Bad for women. (As an aside, while eliminating NN is bad, I’m thoroughly unconvinced it’s worse for women than men).

Men literally being sent to their deaths? “Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. ”

That person ran for president and nearly won.

I could go on for pages.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 am

Continuing applying principles and its fairly shocking how often shit turns up.

Homeless friend? Move in for a few months, save some cash and fuck off.
Dads gay lover suicides? Come to pub with me.
DV incident? Pop over.

I'm a one man fucking MRA clinic. My couch is probably one of the biggest utilities for men in the UK, and that, that, is fucking weird. The sudden shift from drug den to helping people is screwing with my head and the transition is bumpy.

"Oh hey, don't mind these 8 people turning up with booze. NO DRUGS THO YEH? if there's drugs do it in the kitchen and don't let me know k cos i'm quitting due to mental collapse, this is A,B,C,D,E,F,G, and H, they're here to party. This is I, my lodger, K, a friend of mine whose laying low here, share booze with them."

*shrug*

I suppose being somewhat known in my community for giving a shit has effects. Posting so other MRAs who give a shit can consider whether being more public about it might provide opportunities, even anarchistically sourced ones.
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Postby Hirota » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:13 am

Galloism wrote:
Knask wrote:Or, as it's also called, one study.

Yes, it is one study, picked up by multiple media outlets to basically declare male to male friendships as scary and bad for women. Because we don’t care if anything is good or bad for men, only how effects women and children (especially children, but “give a damn” priority is basically children > women > most animals other than farm animals and vermin > men > farm animals > vermin).
In short, you are not linking those sources because you think it's true; but rather all these media sources are posting about it because they think it's true.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:20 am

Hirota wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, it is one study, picked up by multiple media outlets to basically declare male to male friendships as scary and bad for women. Because we don’t care if anything is good or bad for men, only how effects women and children (especially children, but “give a damn” priority is basically children > women > most animals other than farm animals and vermin > men > farm animals > vermin).
In short, you are not linking those sources because you think it's true; but rather all these media sources are posting about it because they think it's true.

Yes, exactly.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:26 pm

Hirota wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, it is one study, picked up by multiple media outlets to basically declare male to male friendships as scary and bad for women. Because we don’t care if anything is good or bad for men, only how effects women and children (especially children, but “give a damn” priority is basically children > women > most animals other than farm animals and vermin > men > farm animals > vermin).
In short, you are not linking those sources because you think it's true; but rather all these media sources are posting about it because they think it's true.


I don't think any of us came to the conclusion he thought it was true.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:58 am

Computer Lab wrote:I think it's a little disingenuous to disparage feminism alone.


So if it's not OK when anti-vaxxers wave around that infamous study showing a debunked link between vaccines and autism, why is it acceptable when Western feminists throw around the wage gap or the 1/3 statistic when both of those have been shown to either be debunked entirely or misconstrued? Why is it that when any criticism of Western feminism as a collective is leveled, people get defensive, yet are quite happy to criticise other social movements?
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:46 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:I think it's a little disingenuous to disparage feminism alone.


So if it's not OK when anti-vaxxers wave around that infamous study showing a debunked link between vaccines and autism, why is it acceptable when Western feminists throw around the wage gap or the 1/3 statistic when both of those have been shown to either be debunked entirely or misconstrued? Why is it that when any criticism of Western feminism as a collective is leveled, people get defensive, yet are quite happy to criticise other social movements?

What a strange glitch! It seems somehow part of CL's post is missing on your computer, thus entirely changing the meaning of the post! Here, let me help:
Computer Lab wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
That's how feminism ended up with the 1/3 women being sexually assaulted claim. But it is reflective of the overly defensive and belligerent state of Western feminism, where if it doesn't benefit women it's bad.

Waving around unverified/replicated studies with small heterogeneous samples isn't only a problem in Western feminism. Everyone does it.
I think it's a little disingenuous to disparage feminism alone.

As you can see, CL appears to be arguing that feminists can indeed be guilty of using poorly crafted studies, and notes that that is a problem, but states that that isn't only a problem with feminism, but is a problem in virtually every movement. But I can see how, if some strange - dare I say, malicious - glitch somehow caused you to only see part of the post, you'd interpret it as being the complete opposite. Certainly I'd never accuse you of cherry-picking a quote so that you could argue in bad faith. What with your record of an absolute lack of intellectual dishonesty, I surely must give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:56 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:Here, let me help:


The only way you could have helped was to not post at all.
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Postby Finswedeway » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:05 am

Galloism wrote:
Knask wrote:Or, as it's also called, one study.

Yes, it is one study, picked up by multiple media outlets to basically declare male to male friendships as scary and bad for women. Because we don’t care if anything is good or bad for men, only how effects women and children (especially children, but “give a damn” priority is basically children > women > most animals other than farm animals and vermin > men > farm animals > vermin).


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