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Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Postby Sunstruck » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The arian nation wrote:I want to keep an open mind who knows i may even turn capitalist so can you please explain further

Do not listen to his lies; he peddles his evil wares here, hoping to lure unsuspecting socdems into his trap of laissez-faire capitalism. Legends say that if you whisper statistics about Sweden over his cries about the invisible hand of the free market, you will hear his true intentions and it shall aid you in cleansing your mind of the evils of right-libertarianism. Also beware of Proctopeo, who seems inoffensive but will gradually drag you in without you even noticing, and turn you into another monster of the deep.

I'd love to live in Scandinavia tbh
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The Arian nation
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Postby The Arian nation » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The arian nation wrote:I want to keep an open mind who knows i may even turn capitalist so can you please explain further

Do not listen to his lies; he peddles his evil wares here, hoping to lure unsuspecting socdems into his trap of laissez-faire capitalism. Legends say that if you whisper statistics about Sweden over his cries about the invisible hand of the free market, you will hear his true intentions and it shall aid you in cleansing your mind of the evils of right-libertarianism. Also beware of Proctopeo, who seems inoffensive but will gradually drag you in without you even noticing, and turn you into another monster of the deep.

Now i'm even more curious
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Jackania yugo
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Postby Jackania yugo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Oh m8, it is 420th page. Blaze it so we have power to fight Illuminati!
This nation a funsion between capitalism and social democracy (the only type of socialism made to actually be incorporated into capitalist governments rather than trying to destroy it).

This nation is PMT/FT. Sometimes modern tech.

We sometimes use pokemorphs and digimon in our armed forces. Sometimes

We are technically centrist.

This nation is a reunited Yugoslavia (and also sometimes controls the UK as well).

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Sunstruck wrote:

Thanks
I'll read that when I'm not using a school laptop
edit: what the hell does porn have to do with abortion? I'm more skeptical about that article now.


The article doesn't mention that, the article only mentions porn and the coinciding drop in rapes availability of porn has arguably caused.

I'm pointing out that the stats are also explicable by availability of abortion, as well as less lead in the air causing lead damage to brains.

In truth its probably a combination of all three that caused such a dramatic drop over the past decades. Crime in general fell dramatically.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Painisia wrote:What are people on the Left`s stance on pornography?


All material will be put before a team of elite critics and only be permitted upon passing a number of stringent tests relating to plot, actor performances, exemplary mise-en-scène and presence of cute traps.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Sunstruck
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Postby Sunstruck » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sunstruck wrote:Thanks
I'll read that when I'm not using a school laptop
edit: what the hell does porn have to do with abortion? I'm more skeptical about that article now.


The article doesn't mention that, the article only mentions porn and the coinciding drop in rapes availability of porn has arguably caused.

I'm pointing out that the stats are also explicable by availability of abortion, as well as less lead in the air causing lead damage to brains.

In truth its probably a combination of all three that caused such a dramatic drop over the past decades.

right
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The arian nation wrote:I want to keep an open mind who knows i may even turn capitalist so can you please explain further

I used to be a leftist, and I have no intention of turning back. The government simply has no right to control what it does not own, or in this case, the market.

As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first condemned you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The arian nation wrote:I want to keep an open mind who knows i may even turn capitalist so can you please explain further

Do not listen to his lies; he peddles his evil wares here, hoping to lure unsuspecting socdems into his trap of laissez-faire capitalism. Legends say that if you whisper statistics about Sweden over his cries about the invisible hand of the free market, you will hear his true intentions and it shall aid you in cleansing your mind of the evils of right-libertarianism. Also beware of Proctopeo, who seems inoffensive but will gradually drag you in without you even noticing, and turn you into another monster of the deep.

We all float down here!
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:46 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Painisia wrote:What are people on the Left`s stance on pornography?


All material will be put before a team of elite critics and only be permitted upon passing a number of stringent tests relating to plot, actor performances, exemplary mise-en-scène and presence of cute traps.


We wouldn't need porn if sex wasn't treated with hysteria by most people and we just had sex scenes on tv where they are relevant. Though this would mean porn actors instead of, you know, actors. So quality might take a dip.

Maybe the anti-sex crew are just guardians of film quality willing to make a grim sacrifice.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:48 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I used to be a leftist, and I have no intention of turning back. The government simply has no right to control what it does not own, or in this case, the market.

As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first condemned you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?

It was the grand entryist, Rand Paul, who got me started on my not at all vampiric happy journey.
Hoppean Libertarian, Acolyte of von Mises, Protector of Our Sacred Liberties
Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Pilarcraft
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:48 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Painisia wrote:What are people on the Left`s stance on pornography?


All material will be put before a team of elite critics and only be permitted upon passing a number of stringent tests relating to plot, actor performances, exemplary mise-en-scène and presence of cute traps.

Omg, u rite.
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The Arian nation
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Postby The Arian nation » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:48 pm

I just found out trump proposed to arm teachers to stop school shooting....... wha... i don't...... can someone re- explain american politics to me
The Arian nation is a Tier 5.8 civilization according to this index set in greater iran.You can use the factbook, stats or even your.... imagination! Ohhhhhhh
Anti:any form of radicalism or extremism
Pro:social democracy
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( -_-) (-_Q) If you understand that both Capitalism and Socialism have ideas that deserve merit, put this in your signature.
Hello! I'm your friendly neighborhood thread killer! I'm from Iran and this nation is my wet dream. unfortunately I'm too lazy to make a good factbook and ect. So it might seem like this is a shitty boring parody of iran but i swear it isn't you just have to be in my brain to understand it!

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:48 pm

Sunstruck wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Absolutely not.

Are you only saying this because of your religious beliefs?

Yes, and socialism.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Sunstruck wrote:Are you only saying this because of your religious beliefs?

Yes, and socialism.


Can you elaborate on socialist reasons to oppose pornography and sex workers rights? I gather there are in fact unions of sex workers.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I used to be a leftist, and I have no intention of turning back. The government simply has no right to control what it does not own, or in this case, the market.

As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first converted you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?


It's always Hoppe. He once tried to physically remove the collectivist devil from inside of me but I threw an ethnically-diverse gay bread queue in his way.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 pm

The arian nation wrote:I just found out trump proposed to arm teachers to stop school shooting....... wha... i don't...... can someone re- explain american politics to me

American politics can generally be summed up with one word: FREEDOM.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Sunstruck wrote:Are you only saying this because of your religious beliefs?

Yes, and socialism.

socialism has nothing to do with sex and sexuality, and hell even sexuality being turned into an industry. (Technically it does, but if the industries are collectives or idk all porn is amateur then there's no problem)
it's just you being a traditionalist and above that a religious person.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first condemned you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?

It was the grand entryist, Rand Paul, who got me started on my not at all vampiric happy journey.

Discusting.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:It stands for someone who is a social justice fanatic


One cannot be fanatical enough about social justice.

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:51 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first converted you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?


It's always Hoppe. He once tried to physically remove the collectivist devil from inside of me but I threw an ethnically-diverse gay bread queue in his way.

Stay strong, my sister in arms, stay strong.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:51 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:As you can see, the cycle continues forever. Tell me, who was the foul beast who first converted you to a life of blood-sucking mayhem as a (*shudder*) libertarian?


It's always Hoppe. He once tried to physically remove the collectivist devil from inside of me but I threw an ethnically-diverse gay bread queue in his way.


You have to drill a hole in the skull to let the demons out. It's why the government instittuted healthcare regulations, it's a conspiracy.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It's always Hoppe. He once tried to physically remove the collectivist devil from inside of me but I threw an ethnically-diverse gay bread queue in his way.


You have to drill a hole in the skull to let the demons out. It's why the government instittuted healthcare regulations, it's a conspiracy.

*breathes heavily in Chilean*
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Economic Left/Right: 9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:58 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
You have to drill a hole in the skull to let the demons out. It's why the government instittuted healthcare regulations, it's a conspiracy.

*breathes heavily in Chilean*

*breathes heavily in Swedish*
This is how the rest of the duel is going to go, btw. You might want to leave if you're bored by people breathing.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:01 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:It stands for someone who is a social justice fanatic


One cannot be fanatical enough about social justice.

I don't want your racial and sex vendettas. How about actual justice, you know, based on not punishing people for their race or sex.

Pilarcraft wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Yes, and socialism.

socialism has nothing to do with sex and sexuality, and hell even sexuality being turned into an industry. (Technically it does, but if the industries are collectives or idk all porn is amateur then there's no problem)
it's just you being a traditionalist and above that a religious person.

Socialism opposes liberal notions of hedonism and self indulgence, porngraphy is anti-socialist.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:02 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:*breathes heavily in Chilean*

*breathes heavily in Swedish*
This is how the rest of the duel is going to go, btw. You might want to leave if you're bored by people breathing.

>Sweden
>has a higher economic freedom rating than the US

Aw geez, that proves my point.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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