Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Bakery Hill]

Yes the old purity cycle. Everyone's a sellout except for me etc.

Come one. The guy supported Bernie Sanders.

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

[Democratic Communist Federation]

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

Did you support Bernie Sanders from down under?

[Proctopeo]

Come one. The guy supported Bernie Sanders.

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

DIRECT RULE FROM BIKE LOCKS

[Victoriala II]

Wondering if reform or revolution is the best way to go, has the thread ever discussed this and if so what page roughly?

Revolutions/insurrections, particularly of a libertarian character can only survive in a region of crisis. The Free Territory and Anarchist Catalonia worked mainly because of the breakdown of social order brought by wider civil conflict going on the rest of the countries they were in (the Russian Revolution/Spanish civil wars). Revolutions of other forms were reliant on charismatic leadership and the creation of a strong institution where their revolutionary idea was held up, like Leninism, the Founding Fathers, the Libertadores, etc. (Hannah Arendt's book about this comparing the American to the French is a bit more detailed on the matter).

imo reform can only get you so far, and in the context of liberal democracies you're essentially putting all of your eggs in one basket. Building something good from scratch among people you know is a good place to start.

[Victoriala II]

Come one. The guy supported Bernie Sanders.

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

WHERE'S MY FUCKING PAYCHECK SOROS

[Bakery Hill]

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

Did you support Bernie Sanders from down under?

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"dOnT voTE fOr BeRNiE yOu LiBEraL vOtE fOR AnTIfA"

Did you support Bernie Sanders from down under?

I did.

[Sanctissima]

And yet you don't find that stereotypical at all? Not the least bit cliché?

Why would I find it cliché?

You don't find a self-loathing Communist Baha'i Sociology/Islamic Studies professor with an ambiguous disdain for their own country a tad... oh, I dunno, passé?

Granted, it does add a couple new elements to the ole' Commie university professor schtick, but it's nicer when living memes are self-aware.

Chomsky is a sell-out. He started out as a libertarian socialist. He has degenerated into a generic progressive.

I'm curious, who isn't a sell-out?

[Victoriala II]

Did you support Bernie Sanders from down under?

I did.

That's a surprise.

[Sanctissima]

Did you support Bernie Sanders from down under?

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

Didn't you hear, mate?

Bernie killed Rosa.

[Bakery Hill]

Why would I find it cliché?

You don't find a self-loathing Communist Baha'i Sociology/Islamic Studies professor with an ambiguous disdain for their own country a tad... oh, I dunno, passé?

Granted, it does add a couple new elements to the ole' Commie university professor schtick, but it's nicer when living memes are self-aware.

Chomsky is a sell-out. He started out as a libertarian socialist. He has degenerated into a generic progressive.

I'm curious, who isn't a sell-out?

Cliches generally have to be common. Genuine communists, even self professed ones, aren't too common from what I can tell in academia these days. Though the softer left might be hegemonic in certain faculties.

[Bakery Hill]

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

Didn't you hear, mate?

Bernie killed Rosa.

Bernhard 1919! Recht und Ordnung gegen die kommunistische Bedrohung!

[Sanctissima]

You don't find a self-loathing Communist Baha'i Sociology/Islamic Studies professor with an ambiguous disdain for their own country a tad... oh, I dunno, passé?

Granted, it does add a couple new elements to the ole' Commie university professor schtick, but it's nicer when living memes are self-aware.



I'm curious, who isn't a sell-out?

Cliches generally have to be common. Genuine communists, even self professed ones, aren't too common from what I can tell in academia these days. Though the softer left might be hegemonic in certain faculties.

Eh, there's a few left in Berkeley and some of the more radical universities in the West, as well as the more fringe-tier social science departments, but yeah, the genuine Communists in academia are a dying breed. That being said, it's not like Socialists and Far-Left ideologues in general are terribly uncommon in post-secondary education. Sociology departments in particular are dominated by them.

[Italios]

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

Didn't you hear, mate?

Bernie killed Rosa.

freikorps soldier #1: dude, why'd you push that poor old lady into the river? seems a bit cruel
freikorps soldier #2 who's about to invent social democracy: oh, didn't you hear?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

Okay, then you did, in a manner of speaking, support his candidacy. I did not. So the fact Sanders was backed by Chomsky, along with other statements made by the linguist in recent years, made me realize he had become a progressive.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

ignore

[Bakery Hill]

Cliches generally have to be common. Genuine communists, even self professed ones, aren't too common from what I can tell in academia these days. Though the softer left might be hegemonic in certain faculties.

Eh, there's a few left in Berkeley and some of the more radical universities in the West, as well as the more fringe-tier social science departments, but yeah, the genuine Communists in academia are a dying breed. That being said, it's not like Socialists and Far-Left ideologues in general are terribly uncommon in post-secondary education. Sociology departments in particular are dominated by them.

The discipline itself owes a lot to Marxism so I suppose it'd be strange if it were otherwise. That said a lot of these left professor types are the kind that you are feel are desperately trying to revive and collage Marx so as to rationalise their investment properties.

[Bakery Hill]

Support? What does that mean? I did not in any meaningful sense support his campaign, but I do think moving the US political paradigm from some kind of weird reactionary neoliberalism towards a watered down social democracy is a good thing.

Okay, then you did, in a manner of speaking, support his candidacy. I did not. So the fact Sanders was backed by Chomsky, along with other statements made by the linguist in recent years, made me realize he had become a progressive.

tfw the landlord is a much purer communist than you are : ((((

[Democratic Communist Federation]

You don't find a self-loathing Communist Baha'i Sociology/Islamic Studies professor with an ambiguous disdain for their own country a tad... oh, I dunno, passé?

Granted, it does add a couple new elements to the ole' Commie university professor schtick, but it's nicer when living memes are self-aware.

Whatever you may think of me, I am open and honest about my life. I am also not self-loathing. I actually have a pretty good view of myself.

[Sanctissima]

Didn't you hear, mate?

Bernie killed Rosa.

Bernhard 1919! Recht und Ordnung gegen die kommunistische Bedrohung!

When you manage to stir the pot sufficiently that both the Fascists and SocDems are able to find common ground and work together, your know you've fucked up.

Or perhaps not, since Luxemburg's compatriots and proponents seem to think that the only thing wrong with the Sparticist uprising was that Ebert and the Freikorps shat all over it.

[Bakery Hill]

Bernhard 1919! Recht und Ordnung gegen die kommunistische Bedrohung!

When you manage to stir the pot sufficiently that both the Fascists and SocDems are able to find common ground and work together, your know you've fucked up.

That's politics for you. There were more than a few times that the KPD and NSDAP shared a stage to trash the Social Democrats in later years.

Or perhaps not, since Luxemburg's compatriots and proponents seem to think that the only thing wrong with the Sparticist uprising was that Ebert and the Freikorps shat all over it.

But as I'm sure the esteemed professor will tell us, even Luxemburg thought it was a Bad Idea.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

tfw the landlord is a much purer communist than you are : ((((

I am not striving for purity, only honesty.

[Sanctissima]

Eh, there's a few left in Berkeley and some of the more radical universities in the West, as well as the more fringe-tier social science departments, but yeah, the genuine Communists in academia are a dying breed. That being said, it's not like Socialists and Far-Left ideologues in general are terribly uncommon in post-secondary education. Sociology departments in particular are dominated by them.

The discipline itself owes a lot to Marxism so I suppose it'd be strange if it were otherwise. That said a lot of these left professor types are the kind that you are feel are desperately trying to revive and collage Marx so as to rationalise their investment properties.

I find there's mainly two types:

1) Adjunct professors, who have shit jobs with shit pay and who's only real attraction to Marxism is that it allows them to rationalize their hatred and self-pity.

2) Older tenured professors, primarily baby boomers, who for the most part fit your above description. Basically people who want to retain their position as "bourgeois" whilst simultaneously finding a way to pay lip service to Socialism.

[Cekoviu]

>right libertarians being a political force large enough for there to be any value in "allying with" in the first place

I wonder how many ironic anarcho-primitivists like Merizoc there are compared to right libertarians :thonk:

Yeah, MERIZoC, while I don't mind them generally, is not really in any sort of a position to say that.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I did.

That's a surprise.

Meh. Of all the nominees who had a chance at winning, he was the best. That said, I didn't support him financially, only mentally.