Cekoviu wrote:He essentially red-baited himself by doing that.
Sort of, but he is always careful not to call himself a communist.
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by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:14 am
Cekoviu wrote:He essentially red-baited himself by doing that.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:17 am
Webus wrote:They used the terms lower and higher stage socialism/communism. The Leninists then changed the term socialism to mean lower stage and communism to be higher. They didn't invent the idea, but simply redefined some terms for more clear usage.
by Aillyria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:26 am
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:37 am
Aillyria wrote:He was a sabateur. His whole purpose was to draw "socialist" support (read modern SJWs and other fake socialists) for Killary the Satanist.
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by Deads Heads » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:10 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Sanders has been calling himself a socialist since he was a young man. He simply defines socialism as FDR's New Deal.
Obviously, he has the right to call himself whatever he wants. However, he has muddled an already confusing issue.
He essentially red-baited himself by doing that.
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:My problem with Sanders is that there are already a set of names for his perspective: social democracy, Keynesianism, and FDR's New Deal. Why use an unrelated term for an ideology which has already been labeled?
Abraxim wrote:Deads Heads wrote:Because God is evil, at least according to the standards we, the puny worms beneath him, put up. Not only does he allow evil to exist but propagates evil in his words and actions. Therefore, there really are no good Christians, when you get right down to it. All you find is ignorance-praising tyrant worship out of fear of eternal torture in a lake of fire by a ghost and his minions at the end of the world or hatred towards those upon whom the punishment will be enacted. Or both.
Heavenly Father,
I pray that the person who believes the opinion above comes to know you, and you can take away the blindness in his heart.
In the name of Jesus Christ, our only true Lord.
Amen.
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:30 pm
Deads Heads wrote:To take socialism into any possible stretch where it's not a class struggle. In a country with as long, tedious and violent of a working class history as the United States, you have to. You can't risk an easily stirrable populace. This means, had Bernie become a president, his administration woulda had to not fuck up or go against him in its policies which in a massive country like the United States is impossible or direct the anger the same way Trump did and does, probably against the same people too to get the political right on your side too.
by Aillyria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:40 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:48 pm
Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists", it's not really Trump thing.....maybe a kekistani thing though. I like the kekies, personally.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists", it's not really Trump thing.....maybe a kekistani thing though. I like the kekies, personally.
The term regressive left is nothing more than a smear campaign by a few human hybrids of progressivism and neoconservatism. It is meant, primarily, to attack the fact that many Leftists, myself included, do not support imperialist campaigns of so-called liberation in certain predominantly Muslim countries.
by Aillyria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists", it's not really Trump thing.....maybe a kekistani thing though. I like the kekies, personally.
The term regressive left is nothing more than a smear campaign by a few human hybrids of progressivism and neoconservatism. It is meant, primarily, to attack the fact that many Leftists, myself included, do not support imperialist campaigns of so-called liberation in certain predominantly Muslim countries.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by The Widening Gyre » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:10 pm
Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists"
by Deads Heads » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:13 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Deads Heads wrote:To take socialism into any possible stretch where it's not a class struggle. In a country with as long, tedious and violent of a working class history as the United States, you have to. You can't risk an easily stirrable populace. This means, had Bernie become a president, his administration woulda had to not fuck up or go against him in its policies which in a massive country like the United States is impossible or direct the anger the same way Trump did and does, probably against the same people too to get the political right on your side too.
If Sanders had become president, the U.S. would be, politically, in an unending traffic jam. He would have had both the Republicans and, perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent, the Democrats fighting against him. If, on the other hand, HRC had become president, the entire four years of her administration would be characterized by perennial battles with the Republicans, including congressional hearings. It would have made the conflicts of the Obama years seem like milk and honey.
The main problem with the United States is the United States. Until my disgusting country disintegrates into fire and ashes, both the U.S. and the world at large will be on the brink of disaster.
Aillyria wrote:The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The term regressive left is nothing more than a smear campaign by a few human hybrids of progressivism and neoconservatism. It is meant, primarily, to attack the fact that many Leftists, myself included, do not support imperialist campaigns of so-called liberation in certain predominantly Muslim countries.
Large faction of people who use that term aren't even right-wingers (like myself), and the term doesn't specifically attack opponents the campaigns you speak of. Who it does attack are the peddlers of this aberrant hybrid of liberalism and marxism, called Intersectionality. A socially backwards ideology that is an enemy of socialism and everything else.
Abraxim wrote:Deads Heads wrote:Because God is evil, at least according to the standards we, the puny worms beneath him, put up. Not only does he allow evil to exist but propagates evil in his words and actions. Therefore, there really are no good Christians, when you get right down to it. All you find is ignorance-praising tyrant worship out of fear of eternal torture in a lake of fire by a ghost and his minions at the end of the world or hatred towards those upon whom the punishment will be enacted. Or both.
Heavenly Father,
I pray that the person who believes the opinion above comes to know you, and you can take away the blindness in his heart.
In the name of Jesus Christ, our only true Lord.
Amen.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists", it's not really Trump thing.....maybe a kekistani thing though. I like the kekies, personally.
The term regressive left is nothing more than a smear campaign by a few human hybrids of progressivism and neoconservatism. It is meant, primarily, to attack the fact that many Leftists, myself included, do not support imperialist campaigns of so-called liberation in certain predominantly Muslim countries.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm
Aillyria wrote:How did you come to that conclusion?
by Aillyria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:Aillyria wrote:SJW is a generalized term to refer to regressive so-called "leftists" and "socialists"
Which is ironic since the use of 'SJW' as a snarl word is a much more prevalent and potent tool of identity policing and politics than just about anything the 'regressive left' has ever done.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The term regressive left is nothing more than a smear campaign by a few human hybrids of progressivism and neoconservatism. It is meant, primarily, to attack the fact that many Leftists, myself included, do not support imperialist campaigns of so-called liberation in certain predominantly Muslim countries.
Lolwut? At least wipe the definition you just pulled from your arse before posting it.
Regressive left refers mainly to the rabidly pro-censorship culture war lot who want everything they disagree with effectively banned, whipping up social media storms based on deliberate distortions and exaggerations of what people have said in an effort to manufacture controversy and force apologies, with the ultimate aim of shrinking the window of acceptable discourse until everyone just quacks like a duck.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:19 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:I think a tricky thing about the private-personal distinction in property, and even about leftism preceding that development, is that human beings are the fundamental means of production.
Which is why socialist economics generally defines production as being labour (ie humans) being applied to the means of production. In the capitalist mode you cannot own labour, in terms of owning people, but you can own the means by which labour is applied to create productive activity.The Parkus Empire wrote:This is very awkward for anyone who says the means of production should be publicly owned, and you can't really get around it without a crypto-liberal humanism which attaches a unique metaphysical significance to the individual that makes public ownership of him something reprehensible in a sort of religious way, as a metaphysical transgression
The means of production are the hinge point for socialism because it is the exclusionary force applied to it in capitalism that creates exploitation and destitution.
by Aillyria » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 pm
Deads Heads wrote:The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
If Sanders had become president, the U.S. would be, politically, in an unending traffic jam. He would have had both the Republicans and, perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent, the Democrats fighting against him. If, on the other hand, HRC had become president, the entire four years of her administration would be characterized by perennial battles with the Republicans, including congressional hearings. It would have made the conflicts of the Obama years seem like milk and honey.
The main problem with the United States is the United States. Until my disgusting country disintegrates into fire and ashes, both the U.S. and the world at large will be on the brink of disaster.
The problem with that is Sanders being the most popular American politician even after his loss. If Sanders had become president, it would've been riskier to get him out then than beforehand with the help of the DNC, as Americans begin to see the situation getting a little better. If Sanders was removed from office after becoming president, that alone would cause the Obama era instability to only exacerbate with more riots, terrorism and crime and an armed radical left to mobilize as it rejects the cries of anti-gun liberals.
Trump is ironically the best president for America respond to this, as he doesn't have any qualms with the white supremacist terrorists he describes as 'fine people'. Just send them out to suppress the leftists, spin the facts around against them in the media and he's all set. He's got the violent, thuggish antifa caricature down and all he needs is the NRA to publish him saying "and guess what, they're now armed and dangerous" to really shake the country's gun owners. "There's a second civil war out there and guess what? We're losing!"Aillyria wrote:Large faction of people who use that term aren't even right-wingers (like myself), and the term doesn't specifically attack opponents the campaigns you speak of. Who it does attack are the peddlers of this aberrant hybrid of liberalism and marxism, called Intersectionality. A socially backwards ideology that is an enemy of socialism and everything else.
Here's the thing. You people keep saying Marxism is somehow involved in it and yet there's nothing distinctly Marxist about it at all. Here's some actual cultural Marxism for ya. I cannot emphasize enough that you won't find the cultural Marxist degeneracy Nazi Germany memed into existence in Marxist or any other socialist states.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist
West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".
by The Widening Gyre » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:27 pm
Aillyria wrote:At least it is directed at an actual type of political movement
The Parkus Empire wrote:But "exploitation" has no negative meaning without resorting to humanism. It actually has a great deal of utility, we "exploit" much of our natural environment, that is the basis of our advancement.
by Kubra » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:28 pm
Althusser was a french marxist theorist from around the 60's.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:29 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:Aillyria wrote:At least it is directed at an actual type of political movement
'SJW' or 'SJWism' as an epithet gets attached to everything from affirmative action hiring policies to casting a female character as a main in a video game. Socialist policies of the type you would even advocate would probably get mocked and scoffed at as 'SJWism' too.The Parkus Empire wrote:But "exploitation" has no negative meaning without resorting to humanism. It actually has a great deal of utility, we "exploit" much of our natural environment, that is the basis of our advancement.
And of course we damage the natural environment in our exploitation, to greater or lesser degrees. Which is the point.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:29 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Lolwut? At least wipe the definition you just pulled from your arse before posting it.
Regressive left refers mainly to the rabidly pro-censorship culture war lot who want everything they disagree with effectively banned, whipping up social media storms based on deliberate distortions and exaggerations of what people have said in an effort to manufacture controversy and force apologies, with the ultimate aim of shrinking the window of acceptable discourse until everyone just quacks like a duck.
They aren't merely censorious, that's a tool they use though. It's noticable that they are hostile to the same censorious logic they use being used for racism against whites, or sexism against males. The authoritarianism is sexist and racist in nature, not mere authoritarianism.
The logic they use is inconsistent, and their treatment of people and their statements is based on the color of their skin or their sex, up to the point its practically a cliche for them to assume every political opponent is a white male because that's how their worldview works.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:And of course we damage the natural environment in our exploitation, to greater or lesser degrees. Which is the point.
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