FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Mr Conservative]

I hope if you're so sure about how much extra it is going to cost people to use the internet you've gone out and invested in ISP stocks. For this massive boost in revenue their going to be raking in they sure aren't valued at what you'd expect. Sounds like you stand to make a killing.

This is not how it works. The average guy will still pay about the same, but they will have a much stricter or slower internet to access. It may not be obvious (e.g: Throttling competitors) but it will not be like the internet we have right now. Meanwhile, rich people will pay much, much more to access the real internet. This is how ISPs will make the extra revenue.

Give the ISPs enough time and they'll figure out how to cripple the net. This reform is still fresh but it was implemented for a reason.

They'll cripple the net because... they're bond villains? No, they'll adopt whatever pricing model they are allowed to do to maximize revenue less cost. And based on the results in the capital market - it doesn't look to me like many people outside a highly excitable group of young internet users is expecting them to be able to garner a whole lot of extra revenue (or less cost) from this change.

It won't be the "rich" that pay more for internet anyway. The "rich" are disproportionately over 50 who are less likely to be streaming and using the internet to its fullest anyway. My grandparents are much better off than I am after years of hard work - but if anything changes for them it will be that they're able to buy some sort of cheaper option to their internet. Because currently they pay the same rate I do every month and only use it to send emails (and they have a weather widget on their desktop that updates itself automatically). But they have to pay full price for the same internet service someone like me uses (a 20 year old that streams all the things and games online).

It will almost certainly be the people who use the internet for most of their entertainment that pay more (if anyone does) - people who just need to access informational text based sites aren't nearly as worried about speed. We could do that fairly quickly on stone-age dial up.

[The Flutterlands]

This is not how it works. The average guy will still pay about the same, but they will have a much stricter or slower internet to access. It may not be obvious (e.g: Throttling competitors) but it will not be like the internet we have right now. Meanwhile, rich people will pay much, much more to access the real internet. This is how ISPs will make the extra revenue.

Give the ISPs enough time and they'll figure out how to cripple the net. This reform is still fresh but it was implemented for a reason.

They'll cripple the net because... they're bond villains? No, they'll adopt whatever pricing model they are allowed to do to maximize revenue less cost. And based on the results in the capital market - it doesn't look to me like many people outside a highly excitable group of young internet users is expecting them to be able to garner a whole lot of extra revenue (or less cost) from this change.

It won't be the "rich" that pay more for internet anyway. The "rich" are disproportionately over 50 who are less likely to be streaming and using the internet to its fullest anyway. My grandparents are much better off than I am after years of hard work - but if anything changes for them it will be that they're able to buy some sort of cheaper option to their internet. Because currently they pay the same rate I do every month and only use it to send emails (and they have a weather widget on their desktop that updates itself automatically). But they have to pay full price for the same internet service someone like me uses (a 20 year old that streams all the things and games online).

It will almost certainly be the people who use the internet for most of their entertainment that pay more (if anyone does) - people who just need to access informational text based sites aren't nearly as worried about speed. We could do that fairly quickly on stone-age dial up.

Again you are ignoring and downplaying every argument we have made on why the internet without net neutrality is fucked. Let me put it quite clear plain to you:

NONE OF US WANTS THE INTERNET TURNED INTO CABLE TV. WHEN WE PAY FOR THE INTERNET WE WANT THE WHOLE INTERNET, NOT JUST CERTAIN PACKAGES OR BUNDLES.

[Freezic Vast]

They'll cripple the net because... they're bond villains? No, they'll adopt whatever pricing model they are allowed to do to maximize revenue less cost. And based on the results in the capital market - it doesn't look to me like many people outside a highly excitable group of young internet users is expecting them to be able to garner a whole lot of extra revenue (or less cost) from this change.

It won't be the "rich" that pay more for internet anyway. The "rich" are disproportionately over 50 who are less likely to be streaming and using the internet to its fullest anyway. My grandparents are much better off than I am after years of hard work - but if anything changes for them it will be that they're able to buy some sort of cheaper option to their internet. Because currently they pay the same rate I do every month and only use it to send emails (and they have a weather widget on their desktop that updates itself automatically). But they have to pay full price for the same internet service someone like me uses (a 20 year old that streams all the things and games online).

It will almost certainly be the people who use the internet for most of their entertainment that pay more (if anyone does) - people who just need to access informational text based sites aren't nearly as worried about speed. We could do that fairly quickly on stone-age dial up.

Again you are ignoring and downplaying every argument we have made on why the internet without net neutrality is fucked. Let me put it quite clear plain to you:

NONE OF US WANTS THE INTERNET TURNED INTO CABLE TV. WHEN WE PAY FOR THE INTERNET WE WANT THE WHOLE INTERNET, NOT JUST CERTAIN PACKAGES OR BUNDLES.

So have you to all of our arguments about why this isn't a big deal and how that isn't how the internet is supposed to work.

[The Flutterlands]

Again you are ignoring and downplaying every argument we have made on why the internet without net neutrality is fucked. Let me put it quite clear plain to you:

NONE OF US WANTS THE INTERNET TURNED INTO CABLE TV. WHEN WE PAY FOR THE INTERNET WE WANT THE WHOLE INTERNET, NOT JUST CERTAIN PACKAGES OR BUNDLES.

So have you to all of our arguments about why this isn't a big deal and how that isn't how the internet is supposed to work.

Is the internet suppose to be like cable tv?

[Freezic Vast]

So have you to all of our arguments about why this isn't a big deal and how that isn't how the internet is supposed to work.

Is the internet suppose to be like cable tv?

Yes. You want internet access to certain sites, pay more, that's all it is. Yet you constantly act like this is gonna be censorship, when that is not the case at all. Just pay more, instead of being a cheap, money-laundering pompous asshole about how "this is the single greatest threat to American democracy" and yelling at us for not agreeing with you and tearing down your arguments. We still have our voice, we can still say what we want and we can still vote for who we want, this decision is not gonna change us that much.

[The Flutterlands]

Is the internet suppose to be like cable tv?

Yes. You want internet access to certain sites, pay more, that's all it is. Yet you constantly act like this is gonna be censorship, when that is not the case at all. Just pay more, instead of being a cheap, money-laundering pompous asshole about how "this is the single greatest threat to American democracy" and yelling at us for not agreeing with you and tearing down your arguments. We still have our voice, we can still say what we want and we can still vote for who we want, this decision is not gonna change us that much.

Then you are lost. We are clearly ideologically divided on fact and fiction. While I know for a fact that the internet must be free and open to all people in order for it to be the internet, you believe the industrial scam that they should be able to nickle and dime us for every single thing we do through extortion and exploitation. There are millions upon millions of websites on the internet, and you have no problem in them screwing them all over to make them pay bribes and ransoms to get access to people. Fuck. That. Shit.

[Luminesa]

Yes. You want internet access to certain sites, pay more, that's all it is. Yet you constantly act like this is gonna be censorship, when that is not the case at all. Just pay more, instead of being a cheap, money-laundering pompous asshole about how "this is the single greatest threat to American democracy" and yelling at us for not agreeing with you and tearing down your arguments. We still have our voice, we can still say what we want and we can still vote for who we want, this decision is not gonna change us that much.

Then you are lost. We are clearly ideologically divided on fact and fiction. While I know for a fact that the internet must be free and open to all people in order for it to be the internet, you believe the industrial scam that they should be able to nickle and dime us for every single thing we do through extortion and exploitation. There are millions upon millions of websites on the internet, and you have no problem in them screwing them all over to make them pay bribes and ransoms to get access to people. Fuck. That. Shit.

Tl;dr: you just don't want to pay more.

[Freezic Vast]

Yes. You want internet access to certain sites, pay more, that's all it is. Yet you constantly act like this is gonna be censorship, when that is not the case at all. Just pay more, instead of being a cheap, money-laundering pompous asshole about how "this is the single greatest threat to American democracy" and yelling at us for not agreeing with you and tearing down your arguments. We still have our voice, we can still say what we want and we can still vote for who we want, this decision is not gonna change us that much.

Then you are lost. We are clearly ideologically divided on fact and fiction. While I know for a fact that the internet must be free and open to all people, you believe the industrial scam that they should be able to nickle and dime us for every single thing we do through extortion and exploitation.

Because I know for a fact that you can't have freedom for free, kid. You want your "precious" internet pay for it, it's not extortion, or a scam, it's fair to pay for a service like the internet. That's all the internet is now, a service, not a utility, or a right, a service that you pay companies for access to. And you are unable to accept the fact that you lost, and you constantly bitch about this to us after we have specifically told you that enough is enough. You live in a fairy-tale land and spread rumors of lies and deceit, all the while calling for an overthrow of what you call "a corrupt system." I'm afraid that is not how it works, just because you don't like the system, doesn't mean you have to go for the most radical form of anarchy over something as dumb as this, it's pathetic really. You want to rant about this, go write a Tumblr blog, just don't rant to us about it, because frankly most of us are tired of your endless whining about this, and honestly, I doubt this is the place for you.

[The Flutterlands]

Then you are lost. We are clearly ideologically divided on fact and fiction. While I know for a fact that the internet must be free and open to all people in order for it to be the internet, you believe the industrial scam that they should be able to nickle and dime us for every single thing we do through extortion and exploitation. There are millions upon millions of websites on the internet, and you have no problem in them screwing them all over to make them pay bribes and ransoms to get access to people. Fuck. That. Shit.

Tl;dr: you just don't want to pay more.

No one should have to pay more. That system of internet marketing just further divides quality of internet access between the rich and poor. Yet none of you actually care about that.

[Dylar]

Tl;dr: you just don't want to pay more.

No one should have to pay more. That system of internet marketing just further divides quality of internet access between the rich and poor. Yet none of you actually care about that.

Welcome to Capitalism.

[The Flutterlands]

No one should have to pay more. That system of internet marketing just further divides quality of internet access between the rich and poor. Yet none of you actually care about that.

Welcome to Capitalism.

No. This is corporatism. Big difference. Repealing Net Neutrality goes against everything capitalism stands for, putting big corporations at the top and small companies In the wasteland like beggars.

[Freezic Vast]

Welcome to Capitalism.

No. This is corporatism. Big difference. Repealing Net Neutrality goes against everything capitalism stands for, putting big corporations at the top and small companies In the wasteland like beggars.

No it doesn't, it doesn't do that at all.

[Luminesa]

Tl;dr: you just don't want to pay more.

No one should have to pay more. That system of internet marketing just further divides quality of internet access between the rich and poor. Yet none of you actually care about that.

It won't be as high as you say it will be, and paying a little more for anything is not a crime. If I have to pay a little more to get something I really want, it's not a big deal. You're working with hypotheticals and hoping everyone else will freak-out the same way you are. It's why nobody wants to side with you on the issue, your attitude has driven all of your support away.

[The Flutterlands]

No one should have to pay more. That system of internet marketing just further divides quality of internet access between the rich and poor. Yet none of you actually care about that.

It won't be as high as you say it will be, and paying a little more for anything is not a crime. If I have to pay a little more to get something I really want, it's not a big deal. You're working with hypotheticals and hoping everyone else will freak-out the same way you are. It's why nobody wants to side with you on the issue, your attitude has driven all of your support away.

The internet should not be a pay to play system. Period.

[Luminesa]

Welcome to Capitalism.

No. This is corporatism. Big difference. Repealing Net Neutrality goes against everything capitalism stands for, putting big corporations at the top and small companies In the wasteland like beggars.

Capitalism is specifically groups of businesses and corporations fighting for a piece of the pie. It's competition. So no, it's still capitalism. You just don't like capitalism.

[Len Hyet]

It won't be as high as you say it will be, and paying a little more for anything is not a crime. If I have to pay a little more to get something I really want, it's not a big deal. You're working with hypotheticals and hoping everyone else will freak-out the same way you are. It's why nobody wants to side with you on the issue, your attitude has driven all of your support away.

The internet should not be a pay to play system. Period.

But, it is pay to play.

I mean sure you can go to your local coffee shop and mooch off their wifi but if they put a password on it there's not a damn thing you can do about it except suck it up and do what everyone else does and pay for their internet access.

[Freezic Vast]

It won't be as high as you say it will be, and paying a little more for anything is not a crime. If I have to pay a little more to get something I really want, it's not a big deal. You're working with hypotheticals and hoping everyone else will freak-out the same way you are. It's why nobody wants to side with you on the issue, your attitude has driven all of your support away.

The internet should not be a pay to play system. Period.

Except it's a service that companies provide to you, and you have to pay them for your access to the internet, so the internet IS a "pay to play system" then.

[The Flutterlands]

No. This is corporatism. Big difference. Repealing Net Neutrality goes against everything capitalism stands for, putting big corporations at the top and small companies In the wasteland like beggars.

Capitalism is specifically groups of businesses and corporations fighting for a piece of the pie. It's competition. So no, it's still capitalism. You just don't like capitalism.

This is corporate capitalism with a rigged market without a balanced playing field, not a free market where everyone can compete freely. In this system, the richer you are, the more likely you would succeed, the poorer you are, the more likely you well get left in the dust.

[The Flutterlands]

The internet should not be a pay to play system. Period.

Except it's a service that companies provide to you, and you have to pay them for your access to the internet, so the internet IS a "pay to play system" then.

It should not be like cable tv though!

[Luminesa]

It won't be as high as you say it will be, and paying a little more for anything is not a crime. If I have to pay a little more to get something I really want, it's not a big deal. You're working with hypotheticals and hoping everyone else will freak-out the same way you are. It's why nobody wants to side with you on the issue, your attitude has driven all of your support away.

The internet should not be a pay to play system. Period.

That's not necessarily the point. Even if I said I agreed, the fact that I'm not utterly panicking would be enough to send you into a spin, because you're not happy unless everyone else is in a panic.

On the same note, the internet is part of the economy, which is largely pay-to-play. Should it be to the extent that it is? No. But is screaming and shouting and alienating everyone on the forum going to solve the issue? No.

[Freezic Vast]

Except it's a service that companies provide to you, and you have to pay them for your access to the internet, so the internet IS a "pay to play system" then.

It should not be like cable tv though!

Well guess what, you don't get everything you want in life now do you?

[Proctopeo]

I mean

it would be nice if Internet were treated like a utility
but that's a different topic entirely

[The Flutterlands]

It should not be like cable tv though!

Well guess what, you don't get everything you want in life now do you?

Fucking hell. Just let me ask you, do you like the internet the way it is?

[Luminesa]

Well guess what, you don't get everything you want in life now do you?

Fucking hell. Just let me ask you, do you like the internet the way it is?

Answer his question first.

[Len Hyet]

Well guess what, you don't get everything you want in life now do you?

Fucking hell. Just let me ask you, do you like the internet the way it is?

Well to be perfectly honest I really liked it most in the years around 2007, up to 2015 but after 2000, but I think that's mostly because of old school Runescape, not the new Old School Runescape but real OG Runescape not this paid garbage.