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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:57 am

Jagellion wrote:I'm gonna seem about 200 years old when I say this, while I do respect other people's rights with them being able to go on the internet and their phones one positive thing from the repeal is that maybe people (specifically millennials like me) will spend less time on devices. I love the internet and spend a lot of time on it, but many of us seem too invested in our phones. Everyone has to record something, or post another thing on Instagram. Maybe we could live in the moment a little more.

Obviously I don't like the FCC's decision to repeal Net Neutrality, but I'm just trying to bring a positive spot into the light.

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Postby Camicon » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:18 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:You don't need high-speed internet to research.

But you need open access to websites without throttling, blocking and paid prioritization for research. You need the internet fully free and open to take Online Classes without the uncertainty of ISPs getting all thugy on you and demanding cash for everything you do,

Why dont any of you care? Why don't any of you care about the fact that our right to a free and open internet was taken away from us? How can any of you think that it's a good idea that ISPs get to discriminate against what we can and do on the internet? How can there be any alternative to the fact that you should be able to do what you want on the internet without being nickle and dimed by ISP thugs?

At least I am not alone in how angry I am. At least I am not the only one who knows the absolute truth about the internet. Otherwise there would not be over 20 Million Comments made to FCC last year; States wouldn't be defying the FCC by making their own NN laws, suing the FCC for their un-american assault on our basic right to free and open internet, and pushing Congress to stop the FCC with the CRA.

Camicon wrote:ISP'S WEREN'T CLASSIFIED UNDER TITLE II UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2015.

WE MANAGED.
Camicon wrote:For fucksake Flutter, net neutrality wasn't even on your radar prior to April 2017. How do I know this? I searched your posting history.

ISP's being classified under Title I, instead of Title II, was such a non-issue for you prior to 2014 that you didn't even know the US didn't have net neutrality. It was such a non-issue for you as recently as nine months ago that you didn't even know what net neutrality was.

And the world didn't end. Clearly.

The US still had elections. The economy didn't grind to a halt. People graduated from university.

And. The. World. Didn't. Fucking. End.

I'm just going to keep reposting this when you start frothing at the mouth, and for as long as you ignore it.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:19 am

Camicon wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But you need open access to websites without throttling, blocking and paid prioritization for research. You need the internet fully free and open to take Online Classes without the uncertainty of ISPs getting all thugy on you and demanding cash for everything you do,

Why dont any of you care? Why don't any of you care about the fact that our right to a free and open internet was taken away from us? How can any of you think that it's a good idea that ISPs get to discriminate against what we can and do on the internet? How can there be any alternative to the fact that you should be able to do what you want on the internet without being nickle and dimed by ISP thugs?

At least I am not alone in how angry I am. At least I am not the only one who knows the absolute truth about the internet. Otherwise there would not be over 20 Million Comments made to FCC last year; States wouldn't be defying the FCC by making their own NN laws, suing the FCC for their un-american assault on our basic right to free and open internet, and pushing Congress to stop the FCC with the CRA.

Camicon wrote:ISP'S WEREN'T CLASSIFIED UNDER TITLE II UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2015.

WE MANAGED.
Camicon wrote:For fucksake Flutter, net neutrality wasn't even on your radar prior to April 2017. How do I know this? I searched your posting history.

ISP's being classified under Title I, instead of Title II, was such a non-issue for you prior to 2014 that you didn't even know the US didn't have net neutrality. It was such a non-issue for you as recently as nine months ago that you didn't even know what net neutrality was.

And the world didn't end. Clearly.

The US still had elections. The economy didn't grind to a halt. People graduated from university.

And. The. World. Didn't. Fucking. End.

I'm just going to keep reposting this when you start frothing at the mouth, and for as long as you ignore it.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:54 am

Camicon wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:But you need open access to websites without throttling, blocking and paid prioritization for research. You need the internet fully free and open to take Online Classes without the uncertainty of ISPs getting all thugy on you and demanding cash for everything you do,

Why dont any of you care? Why don't any of you care about the fact that our right to a free and open internet was taken away from us? How can any of you think that it's a good idea that ISPs get to discriminate against what we can and do on the internet? How can there be any alternative to the fact that you should be able to do what you want on the internet without being nickle and dimed by ISP thugs?

At least I am not alone in how angry I am. At least I am not the only one who knows the absolute truth about the internet. Otherwise there would not be over 20 Million Comments made to FCC last year; States wouldn't be defying the FCC by making their own NN laws, suing the FCC for their un-american assault on our basic right to free and open internet, and pushing Congress to stop the FCC with the CRA.

Camicon wrote:ISP'S WEREN'T CLASSIFIED UNDER TITLE II UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2015.

WE MANAGED.
Camicon wrote:For fucksake Flutter, net neutrality wasn't even on your radar prior to April 2017. How do I know this? I searched your posting history.

ISP's being classified under Title I, instead of Title II, was such a non-issue for you prior to 2014 that you didn't even know the US didn't have net neutrality. It was such a non-issue for you as recently as nine months ago that you didn't even know what net neutrality was.

And the world didn't end. Clearly.

The US still had elections. The economy didn't grind to a halt. People graduated from university.

And. The. World. Didn't. Fucking. End.

I'm just going to keep reposting this when you start frothing at the mouth, and for as long as you ignore it.

Maybe I don't care if we managed before Title II. Before title II Telecom thugs still committed anti-consumer practices. That we why we got the rules to begin with. However, Ajit Pai, being a Corporate Hack who hates American freedom and Consumers having equal access to the internet, ignored public opinion by robbing us of our consumer protections from Telecom Thuggery. That can't be tolerated and to add insult to injury preempted states from making their own rules. I still think states should ignore that preemption and regulate Isps themselves anyway regardless of what the Courts say on this matter.
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https://csusmchronicle.com/17604/opinio ... democracy/

How can we manage in a world where corporations control everything we say and do online and what information we get?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:58 am

The Flutterlands wrote:https://csusmchronicle.com/17604/opinion/fccs-repeal-of-net-neutrality-a-danger-to-a-healthy-democracy/

Seriously? Dude just give it a fucking rest.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:59 am

The Flutterlands wrote:https://csusmchronicle.com/17604/opinion/fccs-repeal-of-net-neutrality-a-danger-to-a-healthy-democracy/


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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:https://csusmchronicle.com/17604/opinion/fccs-repeal-of-net-neutrality-a-danger-to-a-healthy-democracy/

Seriously? Dude just give it a fucking rest.

Not until we get net neutrality back. I will not rest till internet freedom without cororirate control is a federal policy again or states ultimately do rebel against the FCC with their own rules regardless of what the Courts say.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:02 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Jagellion wrote:I'm gonna seem about 200 years old when I say this, while I do respect other people's rights with them being able to go on the internet and their phones one positive thing from the repeal is that maybe people (specifically millennials like me) will spend less time on devices. I love the internet and spend a lot of time on it, but many of us seem too invested in our phones. Everyone has to record something, or post another thing on Instagram. Maybe we could live in the moment a little more.

Obviously I don't like the FCC's decision to repeal Net Neutrality, but I'm just trying to bring a positive spot into the light.

And what, go back to porno mags like a savage ?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:04 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Seriously? Dude just give it a fucking rest.

Not until we get net neutrality back. I will not rest till internet freedom without cororirate control is a federal policy again or states ultimately do rebel against the FCC with their own rules regardless of what the Courts say.

I feel like one of those cartoon characters who says, “did you hear something?” And then there’s you who’s super small ranting about something
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Seriously? Dude just give it a fucking rest.

Not until we get net neutrality back. I will not rest till internet freedom without cororirate control is a federal policy again or states ultimately do rebel against the FCC with their own rules regardless of what the Courts say.

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Postby ElectriKM » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:20 am

Luziyca wrote:...honestly, is it me, or does the American government really want net neutrality deader than Jimmy Hoffa?

Hope it doesn't pass, but as a Canadian, and knowing what the Americans are capable of, I am sadly certain it will pass.


Sadly, your right. This really shouldn't have been allowed to pass
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:26 am

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Luziyca wrote:...honestly, is it me, or does the American government really want net neutrality deader than Jimmy Hoffa?

Hope it doesn't pass, but as a Canadian, and knowing what the Americans are capable of, I am sadly certain it will pass.


Sadly, your right. This really shouldn't have been allowed to pass

And it should be defied and fought against ether in Congress, the Courts or open rebellion of the States by passing their own Net Neutrality rules regardless of whether or not the state preemption is upheld by the courts.
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I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?
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Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?

If not this hill to proverbially die on then what hill?
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:
I'm just going to keep reposting this when you start frothing at the mouth, and for as long as you ignore it.

Maybe I don't care if we managed before Title II. Before title II Telecom thugs still committed anti-consumer practices. That we why we got the rules to begin with. However, Ajit Pai, being a Corporate Hack who hates American freedom and Consumers having equal access to the internet, ignored public opinion by robbing us of our consumer protections from Telecom Thuggery. That can't be tolerated and to add insult to injury preempted states from making their own rules. I still think states should ignore that preemption and regulate Isps themselves anyway regardless of what the Courts say on this matter.

If you don’t care about how Net Neutrality actually works and that everything is not as bad as you think, then why are you think talking about it? You obviously don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion but your own.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:39 am

Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?


Yes, and several years later the burial ground gets dug up to build a museum celebrating ISPs and Flutterlands skeleton is used as part of an interactive exhibit that dances jauntily to corporate messages.
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?

If not this hill to proverbially die on then what hill?


Gun right, abortion, gay rights etc etc are all things worth fighting for and refusing to budge on. This is just silly.
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?

If not this hill to proverbially die on then what hill?

Why die on any hill at all? Don’t you have a life? You’ve got your internet as we speak. Nobody has messed with it. And you’re not going to convince anyone here that your opinion is of utmost importance, so just live your life.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?


Yes, and several years later the burial ground gets dug up to build a museum celebrating ISPs and Flutterlands skeleton is used as part of an interactive exhibit that dances jauntily to corporate messages.

That mental image is...disturbing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I hate to be all "appeal to worse problems", but is this -really- the hill you want to die on?


Yes, and several years later the burial ground gets dug up to build a museum celebrating ISPs and Flutterlands skeleton is used as part of an interactive exhibit that dances jauntily to corporate messages.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:51 am

Luminesa wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Maybe I don't care if we managed before Title II. Before title II Telecom thugs still committed anti-consumer practices. That we why we got the rules to begin with. However, Ajit Pai, being a Corporate Hack who hates American freedom and Consumers having equal access to the internet, ignored public opinion by robbing us of our consumer protections from Telecom Thuggery. That can't be tolerated and to add insult to injury preempted states from making their own rules. I still think states should ignore that preemption and regulate Isps themselves anyway regardless of what the Courts say on this matter.

If you don’t care about how Net Neutrality actually works and that everything is not as bad as you think, then why are you think talking about it? You obviously don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion but your own.

I know how net neutrality works. It is the doctrine that all broadband must be treated equally without blocking, throttling and paid prioritization that creates fast lanes and slow lanes. By repealing the current rules, however, Ajit Pai has allowed just that, which makes him the worse person, next to Scott Pruitt to ever be selected by this administration .
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Thermodolia wrote:Seriously? Dude just give it a fucking rest.

Not until we get net neutrality back. I will not rest till internet freedom without cororirate control is a federal policy again or states ultimately do rebel against the FCC with their own rules regardless of what the Courts say.

Maybe if you rant on NSG really hard net neutrality will come back.

Or, you know, you're wasting your time googling articles about the net neutrality repeal being bad for democracy and screaming at us for not being as out of control as you.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:55 am

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Luminesa wrote:If you don’t care about how Net Neutrality actually works and that everything is not as bad as you think, then why are you think talking about it? You obviously don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion but your own.

I know how net neutrality works. It is the doctrine that all broadband must be treated equally without blocking, throttling and paid prioritization that creates fast lanes and slow lanes. By repealing the current rules, however, Ajit Pai has allowed just that, which makes him the worse person, next to Scott Pruitt to ever be selected by this administration .

Really? The worst?

Not Linda McMahon, not Jeff Sessions, not Betsy DeVos, not Rick Perry, but Ajit Pai and Scott Pruitt. Ya sure you aren’t being a little too dramatic?
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:56 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:If you don’t care about how Net Neutrality actually works and that everything is not as bad as you think, then why are you think talking about it? You obviously don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion but your own.

I know how net neutrality works. It is the doctrine that all broadband must be treated equally without blocking, throttling and paid prioritization that creates fast lanes and slow lanes. By repealing the current rules, however, Ajit Pai has allowed just that, which makes him the worse person, next to Scott Pruitt to ever be selected by this administration .

It’s not a doctrine. It’s not a religion. I know you’re looking desperately for some god to fall on, after supposedly “dumping religion”, but net neutrality is not that god. It is not in the Constitution. It is not in the UN’s Declaration of Human Rights. And you are on your internet, and it is working just fine. So there is no issue.
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