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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:20 am

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[citation needed


Still waiting for Coca Cola to conquer and convert Pepsi by the sword...


...Well that was one hell of a non sequitur.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:19 am

https://www.thenation.com/article/gutti ... cracy-yet/

How can some of you still not see how utterly dangerous and lethal the Net Neutrality repeal is to our free and democratic society?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:22 am

The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.thenation.com/article/gutting-net-neutrality-is-the-trump-administrations-most-brutal-blow-to-democracy-yet/

How can some of you still not see how utterly dangerous and lethal the Net Neutrality repeal is to our free and democratic society?


So how is it more of of a threat than literally trying to take away people's right to vote?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:29 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.thenation.com/article/gutting-net-neutrality-is-the-trump-administrations-most-brutal-blow-to-democracy-yet/

How can some of you still not see how utterly dangerous and lethal the Net Neutrality repeal is to our free and democratic society?


So how is it more of of a threat than literally trying to take away people's right to vote?

Because the sharing of information online helps people gather for political campaigns which can influence the vote. Without net neutrality ISPs will get to favor one political candidate over the other at the expense of consumers. Also could influence the flow of information that criticizes their favourite politician.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:36 am

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So how is it more of of a threat than literally trying to take away people's right to vote?

Because the sharing of information online helps people gather for political campaigns which can influence the vote. Without net neutrality ISPs will get to favor one political candidate over the other at the expense of consumers. Also could influence the flow of information that criticizes their favourite politician.


What good is getting the vote out if that vote has already been effectively suppressed?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:40 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:Because the sharing of information online helps people gather for political campaigns which can influence the vote. Without net neutrality ISPs will get to favor one political candidate over the other at the expense of consumers. Also could influence the flow of information that criticizes their favourite politician.


What good is getting the vote out if that vote has already been effectively suppressed?

They are both lethal to democracy...
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:56 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how is it more of of a threat than literally trying to take away people's right to vote?

Because the sharing of information online helps people gather for political campaigns which can influence the vote. Without net neutrality ISPs will get to favor one political candidate over the other at the expense of consumers. Also could influence the flow of information that criticizes their favourite politician.

CNN's website slowing down if they run stories about Trump is worse that some people not being able to vote at all.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Because the sharing of information online helps people gather for political campaigns which can influence the vote. Without net neutrality ISPs will get to favor one political candidate over the other at the expense of consumers. Also could influence the flow of information that criticizes their favourite politician.

CNN's website slowing down if they run stories about Trump is worse that some people not being able to vote at all.


Yeah, but voter suppression doesn't affect them directly so it's not the biggest threat to democracy.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:28 pm

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Ifreann wrote:CNN's website slowing down if they run stories about Trump is worse that some people not being able to vote at all.


Yeah, but voter suppression doesn't affect them directly so it's not the biggest threat to democracy.

You guys don't get it. Allowing ISP thugs to control what content we go to or what content we create goes against everything democracy and the internet stands for. You guys still don't think of this as a big deal. It's as big a deal as voter suppression or gerrymandering because they are exactly the same issue except the other is digital.
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Postby Dylar » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:39 pm

Donut section wrote:
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Still waiting for Coca Cola to conquer and convert Pepsi by the sword...

Deus Coke?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:31 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
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Yeah, but voter suppression doesn't affect them directly so it's not the biggest threat to democracy.

You guys don't get it. Allowing ISP thugs to control what content we go to or what content we create goes against everything democracy and the internet stands for.

Neither democracy nor the internet stand for anything.
You guys still don't think of this as a big deal. It's as big a deal as voter suppression or gerrymandering because they are exactly the same issue except the other is digital.

They're really not the same issue at all.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:03 pm

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Donut section wrote:Still waiting for Coca Cola to conquer and convert Pepsi by the sword...

Deus Coke?

But in the end it was Dr Pepper, after decades of careful planning and subterfuge, who emerged victorious in the scorched wastelands of what once was the international soda manufacturing industry.


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Dylar wrote:Deus Coke?

But in the end it was Dr Pepper, after decades of careful planning and subterfuge, who emerged victorious in the scorched wastelands of what once was the international soda manufacturing industry.

I thought that was Nuka Cola?
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Hurdergaryp wrote:But in the end it was Dr Pepper, after decades of careful planning and subterfuge, who emerged victorious in the scorched wastelands of what once was the international soda manufacturing industry.

I thought that was Nuka Cola?

The multiverse leaves room for variations.


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Camicon wrote:I thought that was Nuka Cola?

The multiverse leaves room for variations.

Good, because Sunset Sarsaparilla is vastly superior to the filthy Nuka sludge.
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Hurdergaryp wrote:The multiverse leaves room for variations.

Good, because Sunset Sarsaparilla is vastly superior to the filthy Nuka sludge.

And this is why we do not allow the food industry to stockpile heavy weapons.


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Camicon wrote:Good, because Sunset Sarsaparilla is vastly superior to the filthy Nuka sludge.

And this is why we do not allow the food industry to stockpile heavy weapons.


Because all restaurants would end up as Taco Bells?

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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:08 pm

You guys just dont get it. You don't get how much of a big deal this is. Corporations controlling what we say and do on the internet is bad for democracy and bad for economy. Why aren't many of you as frustrated as I am about this?
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Postby Audioslavia » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:17 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:You guys just dont get it. You don't get how much of a big deal this is. Corporations controlling what we say and do on the internet is bad for democracy and bad for economy. Why aren't many of you as frustrated as I am about this?


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The Flutterlands wrote:You guys just dont get it. You don't get how much of a big deal this is. Corporations controlling what we say and do on the internet is bad for democracy and bad for economy. Why aren't many of you as frustrated as I am about this?

Because we have a perspective that you not only lack but refuse to acknowledge even exists.
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The Flutterlands wrote:You guys just dont get it. You don't get how much of a big deal this is. Corporations controlling what we say and do on the internet is bad for democracy and bad for economy. Why aren't many of you as frustrated as I am about this?

Because nothing has happened and may not actually happen. Also, stop repeating the same thing you've repeated a million times already, just quit bitching about this and move on, it's nothing to be so concerned about anyway.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:23 pm

Camicon wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:You guys just dont get it. You don't get how much of a big deal this is. Corporations controlling what we say and do on the internet is bad for democracy and bad for economy. Why aren't many of you as frustrated as I am about this?

Because we have a perspective that you not only lack but refuse to acknowledge even exists.

What perspective?

This isn’t just about how much you will pay for Netflix or Amazon Prime or access to the hottest movies and new entertainment programming, This is about young people having a harder time doing research or taking online classes, it’s about smaller businesses having a harder time competing against big corporations which may be able to pay more for faster access and services. This is about having a harder time getting access to news or political campaigns that Isps disagree with.

Yet none of you seem to give shit. Allowing ISPs to control what we say and do on the internet goes against every thing the internet stands for. It literally means the death of the internet. There is no Opinon. Only fact.
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Postby Camicon » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:30 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:Because we have a perspective that you not only lack but refuse to acknowledge even exists.

What perspective?

This isn’t just about how much you will pay for Netflix or Amazon Prime or access to the hottest movies and new entertainment programming, This is about young people having a harder time doing research or taking online classes, it’s about smaller businesses having a harder time competing against big corporations which may be able to pay more for faster access and services. This is about having a harder time getting access to news or political campaigns that Isps disagree with.

Yet none of you seem to give shit. Allowing ISPs to control what we say and do on the internet goes against every thing the internet stands for. It literally means the death of the internet. There is no Opinon. Only fact.

The "oh, turns out that society doesn't live or die by the internet" perspective. And that is a fact. Do you know how I know this? I'll tell you. Lean in closely now...
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Camicon wrote:For fucksake Flutter, net neutrality wasn't even on your radar prior to April 2017. How do I know this? I searched your posting history.

ISP's being classified under Title I, instead of Title II, was such a non-issue for you prior to 2014 that you didn't even know the US didn't have net neutrality. It was such a non-issue for you as recently as nine months ago that you didn't even know what net neutrality was.

And the world didn't end. Clearly.

The US still had elections. The economy didn't grind to a halt. People graduated from university.

And. The. World. Didn't. Fucking. End.

It truly boggles the mind, the things we post in this thread that you flat out ignore because you can't reconcile them with your zealotry.
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Postby Jagellion » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:31 pm

I'm gonna seem about 200 years old when I say this, while I do respect other people's rights with them being able to go on the internet and their phones one positive thing from the repeal is that maybe people (specifically millennials like me) will spend less time on devices. I love the internet and spend a lot of time on it, but many of us seem too invested in our phones. Everyone has to record something, or post another thing on Instagram. Maybe we could live in the moment a little more.

Obviously I don't like the FCC's decision to repeal Net Neutrality, but I'm just trying to bring a positive spot into the light.
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