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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:48 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Well, that happened. But anyway...

We were talking about the line between nuclear weapons and guns?

Technically, since the "bullet" explodes the shell itself is a destrucive device and its own NFA item.

Blue inert solid and incidentally incindiary projectiles are AOK, though.

Making 50mm shells out of tall Coors beer-cans is easy eanough... making fuzed shaped charges that are in any way safe to handle and fire are a tad difficult.

Molotovs and molotov-throwing firearms are regulated by the local DMV. Otherwise you're fine as they fall under flamethrowers and you've got a burn-permit.


Afaik molotovs are actually treated as DD's.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:56 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh, it would certainly be horrible. But effective, ain't nobody braving nerve gas to jack nobody's television...

Remind me to bring an atropine autoinjector with me if I ever visit your house...


Just grab one of the NBC suits labelled "Guest" on your way in the airlock.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Remind me to bring an atropine autoinjector with me if I ever visit your house...


Just grab one of the NBC suits labelled "Guest" on your way in the airlock.

what if I have my own Toxic gas is it permissible to release within the confines of your home or would you consider that using a WMD?
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:21 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Just grab one of the NBC suits labelled "Guest" on your way in the airlock.

what if I have my own Toxic gas is it permissible to release within the confines of your home or would you consider that using a WMD?

... why is this begining to sound like that time someone made a metric-ton of chlorine just to test their soviet-era gas-mask?

Spoiler: Although it protected his lungs for awhile... his skin was chlorine-bleached to the point it fell off in chunks. Most links have pics, and is graphic.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:43 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:what if I have my own Toxic gas is it permissible to release within the confines of your home or would you consider that using a WMD?

... why is this begining to sound like that time someone made a metric-ton of chlorine just to test their soviet-era gas-mask?

Spoiler: Although it protected his lungs for awhile... his skin was chlorine-bleached to the point it fell off in chunks. Most links have pics, and is graphic.

:( when no one gets my fart joke.
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“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Manokan Republic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:53 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

We must ban full auto fingers! For too long fingers have been used to shoot rifles quickly! No but it kind of proves that bumpfire stocks don't really matter all that much.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:54 am

Manokan Republic wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

We must ban full auto fingers! For too long fingers have been used to shoot rifles quickly! No but it kind of proves that bumpfire stocks don't really matter all that much.

Yes, we should ban fingers

We should chop them all off, no more fingers, only stumps

In fact, while we are at it, we should chop off all hands to
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Postby Greater Redosia » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:00 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Manokan Republic wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

We must ban full auto fingers! For too long fingers have been used to shoot rifles quickly! No but it kind of proves that bumpfire stocks don't really matter all that much.

Yes, we should ban fingers

We should chop them all off, no more fingers, only stumps

In fact, while we are at it, we should chop off all hands to


I’ll just replace my hands with laser guns and become the terminator! I’ll be back!!

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Technically, since the "bullet" explodes the shell itself is a destrucive device and its own NFA item.

Blue inert solid and incidentally incindiary projectiles are AOK, though.

Making 50mm shells out of tall Coors beer-cans is easy eanough... making fuzed shaped charges that are in any way safe to handle and fire are a tad difficult.

Molotovs and molotov-throwing firearms are regulated by the local DMV. Otherwise you're fine as they fall under flamethrowers and you've got a burn-permit.


Afaik molotovs are actually treated as DD's.

But... but how the hell do you go around regulating Molotovs?
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:51 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Afaik molotovs are actually treated as DD's.

But... but how the hell do you go around regulating Molotovs?

Prohibition + glass bottle ban + towel ban= no Molotov's :p
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:00 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Sovaal wrote:But... but how the hell do you go around regulating Molotovs?

Prohibition + glass bottle ban + towel ban= no Molotov's :p

An oil ban would also be required.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:01 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Afaik molotovs are actually treated as DD's.

But... but how the hell do you go around regulating Molotovs?


How do you go around making sure nobody fires their AR pistol with the buffer tube touching their shoulder?

It's the ATF, real life doesnt factor into their rules...
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Prohibition + glass bottle ban + towel ban= no Molotov's :p

An oil ban would also be required.

Good luck doing that in America :p
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Sovaal wrote:But... but how the hell do you go around regulating Molotovs?


How do you go around making sure nobody fires their AR pistol with the buffer tube touching their shoulder?

It's the ATF, real life doesnt factor into their rules...


Wait what?
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:39 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How do you go around making sure nobody fires their AR pistol with the buffer tube touching their shoulder?

It's the ATF, real life doesnt factor into their rules...


Wait what?


AR pistols can't be shouldered because that makes them a rifle which makes them a short barrel rifle (SBR) which makes it illegal unless you pay a tax, register, inform your CLEO etc etc. The NFA is really absurd when you actually get down to it and doesn't stop people from doing anything.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Wait what?


AR pistols can't be shouldered because that makes them a rifle which makes them a short barrel rifle (SBR) which makes it illegal unless you pay a tax, register, inform your CLEO etc etc. The NFA is really absurd when you actually get down to it and doesn't stop people from doing anything.


Image (Yes, I actually dug out the facepalm image specifically to respond to that).
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:54 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
AR pistols can't be shouldered because that makes them a rifle which makes them a short barrel rifle (SBR) which makes it illegal unless you pay a tax, register, inform your CLEO etc etc. The NFA is really absurd when you actually get down to it and doesn't stop people from doing anything.


Image (Yes, I actually dug out the facepalm image specifically to respond to that).


My personal favorite is how the ATF determined that putting a vertical foregrip on a handgun is punishable by 10 years in Club Fed but an angled foregrip is good to go.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:11 am

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Kernen wrote:The United States does not owe the rest of the world anything in regard to our firearm laws or cultural attitude toward firearms. It baffles me as to why anybody thinks we do.
It's probably because they think their morally better/superior then America because they have less mass shootings or overall gun crimes.

So, more shootings and gun crimes are better?

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Postby Air Control » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:54 am

The point is we need to be able to shoot back when a dozen opium-crazed apocalypse worshippers start spewing fire and stupidity onto the streets! There is no other answer to that once it happens. Police, prison, all that is long-term. When you stare a bazooka in the face, you want to have protection that is within reach, not a mile away. Not so?

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:56 am

Air Control wrote:The point is we need to be able to shoot back when a dozen opium-crazed apocalypse worshippers start spewing fire and stupidity onto the streets! There is no other answer to that once it happens. Police, prison, all that is long-term. When you stare a bazooka in the face, you want to have protection that is within reach, not a mile away. Not so?

This post is nonsensical.
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Air Control » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:58 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Air Control wrote:The point is we need to be able to shoot back when a dozen opium-crazed apocalypse worshippers start spewing fire and stupidity onto the streets! There is no other answer to that once it happens. Police, prison, all that is long-term. When you stare a bazooka in the face, you want to have protection that is within reach, not a mile away. Not so?

This post is nonsensical.

That's a non-statement. Explain how it is nonsensical? :eyebrow:

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:04 am

Air Control wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:This post is nonsensical.

That's a non-statement. Explain how it is nonsensical? :eyebrow:

Ahem:
Air Control wrote:a dozen opium-crazed apocalypse worshippers start spewing fire and stupidity onto the streets!

Yup. As I said, nonsensical.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Air Control » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:06 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Air Control wrote:That's a non-statement. Explain how it is nonsensical? :eyebrow:

Ahem:
Air Control wrote:a dozen opium-crazed apocalypse worshippers start spewing fire and stupidity onto the streets!

Yup. As I said, nonsensical.

Colorful language. You know full well the events I'm referring to. And it's nothing to joke about. :arrow:

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:08 am

Air Control wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Ahem:

Yup. As I said, nonsensical.

Colorful language. You know full well the events I'm referring to. And it's nothing to joke about. :arrow:

Say what you mean or say nothing at all, because giving obscure references to supposed events only muddies the waters, and does nothing to progress the debate.

And just to show that your reference is obscure, I for one have no idea what you are referring to.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Air Control » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:14 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Air Control wrote:Colorful language. You know full well the events I'm referring to. And it's nothing to joke about. :arrow:

Say what you mean or say nothing at all, because giving obscure references to supposed events only muddies the waters, and does nothing to progress the debate.

And just to show that your reference is obscure, I for one have no idea what you are referring to.

Haha, good one. Who spews fire and stupidity onto the streets? Who do you want to defend yourself against with a gun? Radical. Jihadist. Terrorists. Police comes after the fact. Prison or execution is meted out even later. Paris, California, Brussels, London, Stockholm. In that situation, do you want protection or not?

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