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by Torrocca » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:24 pm

by Conserative Morality » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:24 pm
Ors Might wrote:Here’s the thing. There is no obligation whatsoever to give your wealth to a group or join said group because their actions have benefited you. You could argue that one should at least give their thanks and you’d have a point there. However, this does not change the fact that, aside from taxes, an individual has a right to their personal wealth. Whether or not people do things that make acquiring that wealth easier. Especially if those actions were done with the expressed intent on making workers wealthier. The freedom of choice is essential here as a matter of principle.

by Conserative Morality » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:26 pm
Ors Might wrote:We could just not fuck anyone and not take their stuff. Is that an option? I feel like it should be an option.


by Hakons » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:26 pm
Northeast American Federation wrote:Frankly, I'm confused. A good chunk of this thread seems irate that rich people are rich and that poor people are poor, and when others come to the conclusion of "well, you must want wealth confiscation and redistribution", it's met with "no I never said that". Okay, sure, you never said that. So what are you saying should be done, then?

by Ors Might » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:27 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Ors Might wrote:Here’s the thing. There is no obligation whatsoever to give your wealth to a group or join said group because their actions have benefited you. You could argue that one should at least give their thanks and you’d have a point there. However, this does not change the fact that, aside from taxes, an individual has a right to their personal wealth. Whether or not people do things that make acquiring that wealth easier. Especially if those actions were done with the expressed intent on making workers wealthier. The freedom of choice is essential here as a matter of principle.
Again, I'm not saying we should make industries closed shops, where workers are forced to join and pay dues. I'm just saying that individual contractors outside of a union certainly benefit from them, making them free riders. I'm not saying "Take their money" or "Force them to join" or anything like that. I'm just saying that "I made all this money myself and unions are just jealous =^^^^)" is the worst kind of foolishness.

by Outer Sparta » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:28 pm
Hakons wrote:Northeast American Federation wrote:Frankly, I'm confused. A good chunk of this thread seems irate that rich people are rich and that poor people are poor, and when others come to the conclusion of "well, you must want wealth confiscation and redistribution", it's met with "no I never said that". Okay, sure, you never said that. So what are you saying should be done, then?
I'm fine with income redistribution, but only through reasonable progressive tax rates, reasonable corporate tax rates, reasonable estate taxes, ect... I'm definitely not a socialist/communist, just itching to overthrow the economic hierarchy, but I would like to limit or reverse the trend of the widening income gaps. I also think the very wealthy should be correspondingly very charitable, but I would never force them to.

by Conserative Morality » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:30 pm
Ors Might wrote:In that case I see your point. However, I would add that giving credit solely to unions for an individual worker’s wages where personal negotiation is a thing might be the result of personal bias.

by Ors Might » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:30 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Ors Might wrote:We could just not fuck anyone and not take their stuff. Is that an option? I feel like it should be an option.
There's a measure of coercion in every functioning system. We can only try to find the one that fucks the least amount of people in the gentlest way possible.

by Hakons » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:31 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Hakons wrote:
I'm fine with income redistribution, but only through reasonable progressive tax rates, reasonable corporate tax rates, reasonable estate taxes, ect... I'm definitely not a socialist/communist, just itching to overthrow the economic hierarchy, but I would like to limit or reverse the trend of the widening income gaps. I also think the very wealthy should be correspondingly very charitable, but I would never force them to.
Basically, don't be like Kansas which does the opposite of those things.

by Ors Might » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:31 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Ors Might wrote:In that case I see your point. However, I would add that giving credit solely to unions for an individual worker’s wages where personal negotiation is a thing might be the result of personal bias.
Not saying that higher wages are solely the union's domain, only that they are a very significant contributor to them.

by Conserative Morality » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:32 pm
Ors Might wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Not saying that higher wages are solely the union's domain, only that they are a very significant contributor to them.
Ah. Then we don’t disagree. I misunderstood your original post’s snark as supporting an arguement you apparently did not make. I apologize.


by Outer Sparta » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:35 pm

by Des-Bal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:37 pm
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos

by Oil exporting People » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:21 pm
Des-Bal wrote:So there's a poor African farmer as described by the OP. He produces vegetables at a level slightly above pure subsistence. How much money should he get and why?

by Senkaku » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:24 pm
Des-Bal wrote:So there's a poor African farmer as described by the OP. He produces vegetables at a level slightly above pure subsistence. How much money should he get and why?


by Internationalist Bastard » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:29 pm

by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:38 pm

by Empire of Narnia » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:07 am

by Des-Bal » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:34 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Imagine what the US could do if they seized the assets of the rich.
Oil exporting People wrote:The market gets to dictate that, based on supply and demand.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos

by Kenmoria » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:46 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Imagine what the US could do if they seized the assets of the rich.

by Hirota » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:46 am


by Des-Bal » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:52 am
Kenmoria wrote:Become a state which has no regard for personal property; even if they did not earn there wealth in a way more righteous than a poor subsistence farmer, they still earned it.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Risottia » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:48 am
MERIZoC wrote:Thoughts on this amazing triumph of capitalism and the Free Market?
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