IT'S BACK! US Government Shutdown Megathread... Again

[Hurdergaryp]

All this chaos and whinging for a few measly days without government.

Anarchy and the collapse of America have been avoided... for now.

[Vassenor]

All this chaos and whinging for a few measly days without government.

Anarchy and the collapse of America have been avoided... for now.

THE END...?

[Hurdergaryp]

Anarchy and the collapse of America have been avoided... for now.

THE END...?

Join us again next week, when tensions are sure to build up again!

[Myrensis]

Hearing from many fellow Dems that they think the Democratic Senators who voted to end the shutdown sold out. What's everyone's opinion on this?

It's dumb to pass any judgment before the 8th of February.

People act like the Democrats gave up a full budget or long term funding bill, as opposed to a 3 week extension.

CHIP is now off the table and Republicans have given public commitments to a vote.

If the 8th comes around and McConnell weasels out, then we refuse to give them the votes for a new spending bill, and Republicans have to explain how it's the Democrats fault that they shut down the government by reneging on their deal to bring up a hugely popular piece of legislation that they all claim they support as well.

Early polling suggests that the shutdown actually increased support for DACA and the Democrats hardline stance on it, and Republicans will have no leverage and no cover if they force another one to stop it.

[Esternial]

All this chaos and whinging for a few measly days without government.

Anarchy and the collapse of America have been avoided... for now.

The US needs some Belgian support to learn how to properly run a government without a government.

[Kramania]

Anarchy and the collapse of America have been avoided... for now.

The US needs some Belgian support to learn how to properly run a government without a government.

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

[Kramania]

THE END...?

Join us again next week, when tensions are sure to build up again!

We haven't heard the last from Chuck "The Schmuk" Schumer.

[Esternial]

The US needs some Belgian support to learn how to properly run a government without a government.

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

Honestly, what point is hanging on to a defective government if it might just crash again later anyway?

US has a classic case of government hoarding disorder.

[Ifreann]

The US needs some Belgian support to learn how to properly run a government without a government.

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

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Join us again next week, when tensions are sure to build up again!

We haven't heard the last from Chuck "The Schmuk" Schumer.

I think there's another C in schmuck.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

Belgium isn't even a real country, do you really expect us to believe they've ever had a government?

[Esternial]

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

We did but we didn't.

[Kramania]

We still have a government though. Even during a "government shutdown".

And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

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We haven't heard the last from Chuck "The Schmuk" Schumer.

I think there's another C in schmuck.

So you just don't understand what "government" means.

That's okay. I can educate you.

[Esternial]

I can educate you.

Oh boy.

[Kramania]

I can educate you.

Oh boy.

Have faith, good sir.

[Tyrassueb]

Something interesting from CNN

What McConnell said repeatedly was that it was his "intention" to move to a debate over immigration. Intention is not a promise. And a conversation -- and even a "level playing field" (McConnell's words) on who can offer amendments to an immigration bill -- is not a certain vote or a certain victory.

Already there are signs emerging that any sort of immigration bill that passed the Senate would be dead on arrival in the House.

So yeah...

[Ngelmish]

Hearing from many fellow Dems that they think the Democratic Senators who voted to end the shutdown sold out. What's everyone's opinion on this?

They may have lost on messaging in the short term, but from an outcome based perspective, getting CHIP off the table is huge. In terms of the GOP suddenly making this bill contingent on CHIP, it's a hostage situation and the Democrats got the hostages out. Now when it comes to splitting the Democratic vote on the basis of DACA, does the GOP have any other issues where the Democrats would reasonably expect that there's some bipartisan desire to shore up the policy (thank you Orrin Hatch!)? Not that I see.

Admittedly, DACA's going to be a shitshow to vote on for both parties, but it divides the GOP more. Perhaps the contours of the deal look bad, but the tactical details were pretty impeccable.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Something interesting from CNN

What McConnell said repeatedly was that it was his "intention" to move to a debate over immigration. Intention is not a promise. And a conversation -- and even a "level playing field" (McConnell's words) on who can offer amendments to an immigration bill -- is not a certain vote or a certain victory.

Already there are signs emerging that any sort of immigration bill that passed the Senate would be dead on arrival in the House.

So yeah...

I will be mighty amused if McConnell gives them what they want only for it to die immediately in the House, that would be 10/10 from the turtle.

[Thermodolia]

Join us again next week, when tensions are sure to build up again!

We haven't heard the last from Chuck "The Schmuk" Schumer.

Oh the irony. You complain about me calling McConnell a Turtle yet you do it yourself.

[Ifreann]

And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

Belgium isn't even a real country, do you really expect us to believe they've ever had a government?

Narnia isn't real either and they had a government.

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And Belgium had a government even when they didn't have a government.

Isn't English fun?

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I think there's another C in schmuck.

So you just don't understand what "government" means.

That's okay. I can educate you.

Oh yeah, Americans don't use government that way. I'd forgotten that.

[Poplar Bluff]

Something interesting from CNN





So yeah...

I will be mighty amused if McConnell gives them what they want only for it to die immediately in the House, that would be 10/10 from the turtle.

That's exactly what the Democrats caved on. They were demanding a deal that provided assurances that a DACA deal could get a vote in the House and then be signed by the President. They wanted Trump to endorse a deal and assumed he had enough weight in the House leadership that they wouldn't deny it a vote with his support. They were going to hold out for that deal. But the Republicans wouldn't agree to hold a vote in the House, and the risk of drawing out a shut down was bad politics. So they called it off.

Which means it'd be very strange for Republicans to turn around and give any DACA deal a vote in the House in exchange for nothing. They wouldn't agree to give it one in exchange for something, why would they just give it away? You can bet the White House and House Republicans are going to hold out for Wall funding or something else from Democrats if it isn't just dead entirely.

[Greed and Death]

Something interesting from CNN





So yeah...

I will be mighty amused if McConnell gives them what they want only for it to die immediately in the House, that would be 10/10 from the turtle.

Bringing it directly to the floor is foolish. The senate will poison pill the bill and the Democrats will vote against it.

It needs to go through the appropriate committee or committees and a version of the bill that can attract both parties needs to be brought to the floor.

[Esternial]

Narnia isn't real either and they had a government.

Which is also a monarchy.

[Major-Tom]

Hearing from many fellow Dems that they think the Democratic Senators who voted to end the shutdown sold out. What's everyone's opinion on this?

They may have lost on messaging in the short term, but from an outcome based perspective, getting CHIP off the table is huge. In terms of the GOP suddenly making this bill contingent on CHIP, it's a hostage situation and the Democrats got the hostages out. Now when it comes to splitting the Democratic vote on the basis of DACA, does the GOP have any other issues where the Democrats would reasonably expect that there's some bipartisan desire to shore up the policy (thank you Orrin Hatch!)? Not that I see.

Admittedly, DACA's going to be a shitshow to vote on for both parties, but it divides the GOP more. Perhaps the contours of the deal look bad, but the tactical details were pretty impeccable.

Yeah, in the insanely unlikely event I were a Senator in that situation, I probably would've voted with Schumer and pals if only to save CHIP. DACA is important, but CHIP takes first priority. Hopefully the Dems can hold the fucking line the next few weeks and work out some compromise with McConnell to retain most aspects of DACA. But, perhaps I'm being optimistic.

[Kramania]

We haven't heard the last from Chuck "The Schmuk" Schumer.

Oh the irony. You complain about me calling McConnell a Turtle yet you do it yourself.

The mods have told me that doing it that way doesn't break the rules.

And I only complain because the mods beat me with a stick every time I fart in a way that displeases them, yet others can blatantly break the rules and nothing happens

[Kramania]

Belgium isn't even a real country, do you really expect us to believe they've ever had a government?

Narnia isn't real either and they had a government.

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So you just don't understand what "government" means.

That's okay. I can educate you.

Oh yeah, Americans don't use government that way. I'd forgotten that.

Yeah, we don't have a parliamentary system.