Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Northern Davincia]

You'd benefit from reading Hayek.

No one benefits from reading Hayek

I cannot think of a way in which that is not wrong.

[Dejanic]

I'm a fan of Hayek.

[Trotskylvania]

No one benefits from reading Hayek

I cannot think of a way in which that is not wrong.

Austrian School is nothing but a particularly self-important school of witchcraft. It has produced nothing of note but pure weapons-grade ideology for the Ayn Rand fan club.

[Dejanic]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Most Economists from my understanding are centre-left.

[Northern Davincia]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Most Economists from my understanding are centre-left.

The Austrian school has made actual contributions to economics. You'd also be wrong about the center-left claim.

I cannot think of a way in which that is not wrong.

Austrian School is nothing but a particularly self-important school of witchcraft. It has produced nothing of note but pure weapons-grade ideology for the Ayn Rand fan club.

"Logic is witchcraft!"
Gasp!

[Trotskylvania]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Most Economists from my understanding are centre-left.

The Austrian school has made actual contributions to economics. You'd also be wrong about the center-left claim.

Austrian School is nothing but a particularly self-important school of witchcraft. It has produced nothing of note but pure weapons-grade ideology for the Ayn Rand fan club.

"Logic is witchcraft!"
Gasp!

Don't lie. Austrian School economics is deader than logical positivism. Just like that other relic from the last century, it has a lot of zombie practitioners floating around.

In your case, it's a school of economics that just so happens to categorically reject empirical analysis in economics.

What is witchcraft is assuming that your a priori "theories" are true regardless of any empirical investigation.

[Dejanic]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Most Economists from my understanding are centre-left.

The Austrian school has made actual contributions to economics. You'd also be wrong about the center-left claim.

Austrian School is nothing but a particularly self-important school of witchcraft. It has produced nothing of note but pure weapons-grade ideology for the Ayn Rand fan club.

"Logic is witchcraft!"
Gasp!

Source? I see no evidence that Austrian economics is important or integral in the slightest to scientific Economics. It's largely laughed at as a non Scientific, ideologically driven form of economics.

Mainstream economics is largely composed of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassical_synthesis a Keynesian synthesis. Certainly not centre-right.

In the US, most economists seem to be Liberal/Democrat, and thus presumably Keynesian. Anywhere from 60-70%.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ec ... -we-think/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... ts-anyway/

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Nazism is also not mainstream. For that matter, neither is being a flat earther. That does not give those ideas any credibility.

Austrian economics, a branch of heterodox economics, developed an alternative defense of capitalism. Any communist or socialist should, IMO, vigorously oppose any ideology which gives credence to capitalism.

[Dejanic]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Nazism is also not mainstream. For that matter, neither is being a flat earther. That does not give those ideas any credibility.

Austrian economics, a branch of heterodox economics, developed an alternative defense of capitalism. Any communist or socialist should, IMO, vigorously oppose any ideology which gives credence to capitalism.

I agree? Weird examples to give lol.

[Northern Davincia]

The Austrian school has made actual contributions to economics. You'd also be wrong about the center-left claim.

"Logic is witchcraft!"
Gasp!

Source? I see no evidence that Austrian economics is important or integral in the slightest to scientific Economics. It's largely laughed at as a non Scientific, ideologically driven form of economics.

Mainstream economics is largely composed of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassical_synthesis a Keynesian synthesis. Certainly not centre-right.

In the US, most economists seem to be Liberal/Democrat, and thus presumably Keynesian. Anywhere from 60-70%.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ec ... -we-think/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... ts-anyway/

Are you honestly suggesting that Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party is center-left?

[Dejanic]

Source? I see no evidence that Austrian economics is important or integral in the slightest to scientific Economics. It's largely laughed at as a non Scientific, ideologically driven form of economics.

Mainstream economics is largely composed of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassical_synthesis a Keynesian synthesis. Certainly not centre-right.

In the US, most economists seem to be Liberal/Democrat, and thus presumably Keynesian. Anywhere from 60-70%.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ec ... -we-think/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... ts-anyway/

Are you honestly suggesting that Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party is center-left?

wat

That's what American Conservatives and Libertarians have ALWAYS argued lolol now for the sake of this argument you're going to claim they're not lololol

Economists clearly aren't right wing Rothbardians if they're supporting the Dems that's the point. I can give you millions of more sources if you want? Generally in the West a majority of top economists support Keynesian economics. Face it, you're an outcast just like us.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Are you honestly suggesting that Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party is center-left?

Center right, not center left. Bernie Sanders is center left (aka a progressive), and he refuses to become a Democrat.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I agree? Weird examples to give lol.

Well, the flat earthers were mostly for comedic effect.

[Northern Davincia]

Isn't the Austrian school just as non-Mainstream as Marxism? That's the impression I've gotten from Economics students I know. Both schools are equally laughed at by Economists. Though unlike Marxists, Austrians act like they are mainstream and credited.

Nazism is also not mainstream. For that matter, neither is being a flat earther. That does not give those ideas any credibility.

Austrian economics, a branch of heterodox economics, developed an alternative defense of capitalism. Any communist or socialist should, IMO, vigorously oppose any ideology which gives credence to capitalism.

Even if that ideology uses facts?

Are you honestly suggesting that Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party is center-left?

wat

That's what American Conservatives and Libertarians have ALWAYS argued lolol now for the sake of this argument you're going to claim they're not lololol

Economists clearly aren't right wing Rothbardians if they're supporting the Dems that's the point. I can give you millions of more sources if you want? Generally in the West a majority of top economists support Keynesian economics. Face it, you're an outcast just like us.

Since when is Keynesianism left-wing? It's centrist at best. While I enjoy looking at the world through an American lens, it doesn't always work.

[Dejanic]

I agree? Weird examples to give lol.

Well, the flat earthers were mostly for comedic effect.

You think flat Earthers are mad? Go read some "Concave Earth" theories. It's like something out of Panama Inverted lol.

[Dejanic]

Nazism is also not mainstream. For that matter, neither is being a flat earther. That does not give those ideas any credibility.

Austrian economics, a branch of heterodox economics, developed an alternative defense of capitalism. Any communist or socialist should, IMO, vigorously oppose any ideology which gives credence to capitalism.

Even if that ideology uses facts?

wat

That's what American Conservatives and Libertarians have ALWAYS argued lolol now for the sake of this argument you're going to claim they're not lololol

Economists clearly aren't right wing Rothbardians if they're supporting the Dems that's the point. I can give you millions of more sources if you want? Generally in the West a majority of top economists support Keynesian economics. Face it, you're an outcast just like us.

Since when is Keynesianism left-wing? It's centrist at best. While I enjoy looking at the world through an American lens, it doesn't always work.

I don't think Keyenesian is left-wing. But it's the economic theory adopted by Social Liberals and Social Democrats, who generally lean centre-leftish. Of course there's millions of different types of Keynesianism, some more progressive than others.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Even if that ideology uses facts?

You are misusing the term facts. A fact is a statement which is uncontested. That is not true with economic theories.

Face it, you're an outcast just like us.

I have no problem being an ideological outcast in the U.S. Actually, I relish it.

[Dejanic]

Even if that ideology uses facts?

You are misusing the term facts. A fact is a statement which is uncontested. That is not true with economic theories.

Face it, you're an outcast just like us.

I have no problem being an ideological outcast in the U.S. Actually, I relish it.

Being an outcast doesn't make you wrong. Obviously I don't think that since I am a Socialist and thus non mainstream. I'm more just pointing out Austrian types are just as non-mainstream as us, so an appeal to academic authority purely based on consensus or plurality is largely fruitless.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

You think flat Earthers are mad? Go read some "Concave Earth" theories. It's like something out of Panama Inverted lol.

Yes, and there is a legitimate movement of geocentrists, too. I used to serve on the same moderation team with one on a chat service.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Being an outcast doesn't make you wrong. Obviously I don't think that since I am a Socialist and thus non mainstream. I'm more just pointing out Austrian types are just as non-mainstream as us, so an appeal to academic authority purely based on consensus or plurality is largely fruitless.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Victoriala II]

No one benefits from reading Hayek

I cannot think of a way in which that is not wrong.

The adaptation of Kahlil Gibran's the Prophet is wonderful yes but let's not get too hyped about it

[The Federation of Kendor]

Do you think that George Orwell is a true Leftist?

Also, what do you think of Marhaenism?

[Pilarcraft]

Do you think that George Orwell is a true Leftist?

Also, what do you think of Marhaenism?

dk about Marhaenism, but personally, I see Orwell as more of a leftist than Stalin, Mao, and Pot combined.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Do you think that George Orwell is a true Leftist?

Possibly, though you are veering a little into No True Scotsman territory. However, he was certainly lefter than the heroes and martyrs of 20th Century communism.

[The Federation of Kendor]

Do you think that George Orwell is a true Leftist?

Also, what do you think of Marhaenism?

dk about Marhaenism, but personally, I see Orwell as more of a leftist than Stalin, Mao, and Pot combined.

So, do you think Sukarno is a good Leftist too?