Trump MAGAThread XI: Button, Button, Who's Got The Button?

[Vassenor]

So what's this "#releasethememo" thing I'm seeing King and the greek chorus trying to push?

[Ifreann]

I feel like this is deeply relevant.

I like how the first one's false.

Fake physics.

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So what's this "#releasethememo" thing I'm seeing King and the greek chorus trying to push?

Fake news.

[Valrifell]

So what's this "#releasethememo" thing I'm seeing King and the greek chorus trying to push?

Oh geez, there's so much going on we might blaze through this thread.

[Corrian]

The #releasethememo thing was weirding me out, too. No idea what it's about.

[Hayo]

https://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org

This is an interesting site I found. It's a project of the German Marshall Fund, an NGO in the US. It proports to track Russian disinformation campaigns on Twitter by monitoring suspected Russian bots.

Right now they're pushing hard for a classified intelligence memo authored by some Republican members of Congress to be released. The memo proports to show abuse of FISA by the FBI to monitor the Trump campaign. They're also pushing "Schumer Shutdown" hashtags.

[Hayo]

They're basically complaining about how the FBI may or may not have used the Steele dossier to get FISA warrants for Trump campaign people. They want to use this to discredit the FBI counter-intel investigation of the campaign.

The thing is, according to this, the investigation was kicked off, in large part, by a tip received from an Australian diplomat. Papadopoulos supposedly told him that Russia had dirt on Clinton in May 2016, which set off alarm bells.

[Ifreann]

They're basically complaining about how the FBI may or may not have used the Steele dossier to get FISA warrants for Trump campaign people. They want to use this to discredit the FBI counter-intel investigation of the campaign.

The thing is, according to this, the investigation was kicked off, in large part, by a tip received by a Australian diplomat. Papadopoulos supposedly told him that Russia had dirt on Clinton in May 2016, which set off alarm bells.

I guess @DefinitelyNotPutin is more concerned with undermining the Russia investigation than blaming this shutdown on the Democrats.

[Hayo]

Here's some Hannity echo-chamber coverage of it, if you want the far right perspective on this

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/18/s ... -watergate

tl;dr Mueller's investigation is composed of a bunch of biased Democrat Stasi agents on a witch hunt to end the MAGA movement, and this secret memo that Nunes wrote proves it

[Steffan]

Here's some Hannity echo-chamber coverage of it, if you want the far right perspective on this

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/18/s ... -watergate

tl;dr Mueller's investigation is composed of a bunch of biased Democrat Stasi agents on a witch hunt to end the MAGA movement, and this secret memo that Nunes wrote proves it

Like they need to try
Also, Happy Trumpversary everyone!!!

[Post War America]

Here's some Hannity echo-chamber coverage of it, if you want the far right perspective on this

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/18/s ... -watergate

tl;dr Mueller's investigation is composed of a bunch of biased Democrat Stasi agents on a witch hunt to end the MAGA movement, and this secret memo that Nunes wrote proves it

To bad I can't ask Sean Hannity for sauce with that claim.

[Vassenor]

Can't believe it's been a year already, honestly.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Can't believe it's been a year already, honestly.

Hmmm, hitting political opponents is never the answer, and should always be looked down upon. There is no meaningful difference between Nazi's punching people and radical Antifa punching people suspected of Nazism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can't believe it's been a year already, honestly.

I much prefer when Moldylocks got punched in the face.

[Liriena]

Can't believe it's been a year already, honestly.

I much prefer when Moldylocks got punched in the face.

You mean when she got punched by an actual Nazi? You prefer someone being assaulted by a Nazi to a Nazi getting assaulted?

Hmmm... *thinking emoji*

[Washington Resistance Army]

I much prefer when Moldylocks got punched in the face.

You mean when she got punched by an actual Nazi? You prefer someone being assaulted by a Nazi to a Nazi getting assaulted?

Hmmm... *thinking emoji*

I'd prefer no one get assaulted but hers was more amusing, especially given the whole "ima go scalp some Nazis" nonsense she said before she got rocked.

[Liriena]

Can't believe it's been a year already, honestly.

Hmmm, hitting political opponents is never the answer, and should always be looked down upon. There is no meaningful difference between Nazi's punching people and radical Antifa punching people suspected of Nazism.

Ummm... yeah, there is a meaningful difference. One is a nazi, the other is an anti-nazi. American nazis want ethnic cleansing; anti-nazis don't want ethnic cleansing and are willing to punch a nazi binch to make nazi binches too afraid to organize.

I don't support punching Richard Spencer as a go-to tactic to stop the rise of nazism (even if it produces all sorts of schadenfreude), but pretending that there is no difference between the two is simplistic and dangerous.

[Liriena]

You mean when she got punched by an actual Nazi? You prefer someone being assaulted by a Nazi to a Nazi getting assaulted?

Hmmm... *thinking emoji*

I'd prefer no one get assaulted but hers was more amusing, especially given the whole "ima go scalp some Nazis" nonsense she said before she got rocked.

I found Spencer getting punched far more funny because he was about to "explain" Pepe the frog when he got punched... and he wasn't punched by someone who supports ethnic cleansing.

[Liriena]

The status of DACA will not be put on the table by the GOP in exchange for a CR.

(Image)

You know, I'm downright desperate to get a job in my field... but selling my soul to write and publish such garbage is one line I won't cross.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Hmmm, hitting political opponents is never the answer, and should always be looked down upon. There is no meaningful difference between Nazi's punching people and radical Antifa punching people suspected of Nazism.

Ummm... yeah, there is a meaningful difference. One is a nazi, the other is an anti-nazi. American nazis want ethnic cleansing; anti-nazis don't want ethnic cleansing and are willing to punch a nazi binch to make nazi binches too afraid to organize.

I don't support punching Richard Spencer as a go-to tactic to stop the rise of nazism (even if it produces all sorts of schadenfreude), but pretending that there is no difference between the two is simplistic and dangerous.

I'm not saying that there is no reasonable difference between the political groups. Of course there is. But I fail to see a meaningful difference in the beating. Both sides apparently beat political opponents for disagreeing with them, effectively using terror tactics in what should be a free and open society. Their hearts might be in the right place, but using violence in what should be a peaceful public place is always detestable, no matter the ideology that's behind it.

[Liriena]

Here's some Hannity echo-chamber coverage of it, if you want the far right perspective on this

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/18/s ... -watergate

tl;dr Mueller's investigation is composed of a bunch of biased Democrat Stasi agents on a witch hunt to end the MAGA movement, and this secret memo that Nunes wrote proves it

Were I not aware of the pivot Hannity and similar garbage people managed to make after Bush Jr. left office, I'd wonder how they're all going to live with themselves when Trump's gone.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'd prefer no one get assaulted but hers was more amusing, especially given the whole "ima go scalp some Nazis" nonsense she said before she got rocked.

I found Spencer getting punched far more funny because he was about to "explain" Pepe the frog when he got punched... and he wasn't punched by someone who supports ethnic cleansing.

I fail to see what the last bit has to do anything. That doesn't make it any less amusing.

We still shouldn't go down that road though, I don't wanna become Weimar.

[Ifreann]

The status of DACA will not be put on the table by the GOP in exchange for a CR.

(Image)

You know, I'm downright desperate to get a job in my field... but selling my soul to write and publish such garbage is one line I won't cross.

Pfft, who needs a soul?

[Genivaria]

You know, I'm downright desperate to get a job in my field... but selling my soul to write and publish such garbage is one line I won't cross.

Pfft, who needs a soul?

I already sold mine for a week's worth of ramen cups.
Worth it.

[Liriena]

Ummm... yeah, there is a meaningful difference. One is a nazi, the other is an anti-nazi. American nazis want ethnic cleansing; anti-nazis don't want ethnic cleansing and are willing to punch a nazi binch to make nazi binches too afraid to organize.

I don't support punching Richard Spencer as a go-to tactic to stop the rise of nazism (even if it produces all sorts of schadenfreude), but pretending that there is no difference between the two is simplistic and dangerous.

I'm not saying that there is no reasonable difference between the political groups. Of course there is. But I fail to see a meaningful difference in the beating. Both sides apparently beat political opponents for disagreeing with them, effectively using terror tactics in what should be a free and open society. Their hearts might be in the right place, but using violence in what should be a peaceful public place is always detestable, no matter the ideology that's behind it.

See, the problem boils down to how you frame all of this in the underlined: as a mere disagreement in the free market place of ideas. It reveals a dangerous disconnect between the expression of ideas and its material consequences. But speaking in historical and material terms, this isn't just an ideological disagreement in a fancy debate club. If Spencer and his fellow scum had their way, even in some diminished fashion, that would mean many innocent people being hurt in the name of white supremacism. And Spencer's bunch don't really care about ideals of freedom in any way, shape or form. They may sometimes pay lip-service to free speech to make friends with moderates, but if you listen to them outside of that specific discussion, they are dishonest and proud authoritarians.

A free and open society is worth defending, but if we want to defend it properly we have to stop pretending that hateful speech has no material consequences, that political discussions are mere philosophical disagreements rather than conflicts in which the lives of countless people are often at stake.

[Liriena]

Pfft, who needs a soul?

I already sold mine for a week's worth of ramen cups.
Worth it.

Will I get my millennial card rescinded if I mention that I've never had a ramen cup? I mostly live off vegetarian deli food and cookies with raisins.