Trumptonium wrote:Not opening your doors to every tom dick and harry isn't "being a dick" to anybody
"Now hiring: no blacks allowed. I'm not being a dick, I'm just not opening my doors. =^^^^)"
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by Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:24 pm
Trumptonium wrote:Not opening your doors to every tom dick and harry isn't "being a dick" to anybody
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm
Israeli Defense Force wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok?
Could we send some aid to them for them to get better jobs in there own country then?
Haitians have been living off aid for decades. At some point they need to take responsibility for their own country and stop leeching off others.
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by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm
Israeli Defense Force wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok?
Could we send some aid to them for them to get better jobs in there own country then?
Haitians have been living off aid for decades. At some point they need to take responsibility for their own country and stop leeching off others.
by Trumptonium » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:26 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Israeli Defense Force wrote:Haitians have been living off aid for decades. At some point they need to take responsibility for their own country and stop leeching off others.
Kinda hard to do that when a hurricane wipes out your entire infrastructure and resources. But hey, what do I know?
by Vassenor » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:26 pm
Israeli Defense Force wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So by calling you out for being insistent on arguments backed with "real evidence" while providing no evidence at all in support of your own arguments I am implicitly calling Trump a racist?
Do you get to be a postmaster by going in circles and not saying anything?
Simply put, reread my last post and simply answer the question. We can go from there. I'm not interested in 20,000 posts of circular arguments and semantics.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:26 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I do remember what the thread is about, the question is, do you? Do you remember that the thread is about Trump, and as a result there's nothing you can do about it but think on how things could be better for them in the long run.
Also, "not being an asshole" can be defined in many ways, none of which I think are "we should pay our immigrant workers better", since you apparently just told me not a few pages back that 7.25 bucks an hour which you don't even get to keep all of it is better than eating shit in Haiti, which really, it shows the nobility in you. It truly does. No, seriously, they should award you a fucking Nobel prize for being so thoughtful about immigrants.
by Israeli Defense Force » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:27 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Israeli Defense Force wrote:Haitians have been living off aid for decades. At some point they need to take responsibility for their own country and stop leeching off others.
Kinda hard to do that when a hurricane wipes out your entire infrastructure and resources. But hey, what do I know?
by Israeli Defense Force » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:31 pm
Vassenor wrote:Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Do you get to be a postmaster by going in circles and not saying anything?
Simply put, reread my last post and simply answer the question. We can go from there. I'm not interested in 20,000 posts of circular arguments and semantics.
So you're going for "shut up" rather than "put up". Guess that doesn't bode well for your claims about my conduct.
by Chernoslavia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:34 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:34 pm
Trumptonium wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok?
Could we send some aid to them for them to get better jobs in there own country then?
humanitarian foreign aid has negative effects on the recipient country's employment and tax base
only serves to sustain population growth and alleviating starvation, really. which just creates more poor people in the future, so you send more money in the future, and the problem multiplies.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:34 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I do remember what the thread is about, the question is, do you? Do you remember that the thread is about Trump, and as a result there's nothing you can do about it but think on how things could be better for them in the long run.
"You can't make any change immediately so why comment at all."
Talk about shallow politics.Also, "not being an asshole" can be defined in many ways, none of which I think are "we should pay our immigrant workers better", since you apparently just told me not a few pages back that 7.25 bucks an hour which you don't even get to keep all of it is better than eating shit in Haiti, which really, it shows the nobility in you. It truly does. No, seriously, they should award you a fucking Nobel prize for being so thoughtful about immigrants.
"7.25 isn't good so let's make things worse."
Keep going, soon you'll be advocating for slavery like TEM, only with less class and charisma.
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by Vassenor » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:35 pm
Trumptonium wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok?
Could we send some aid to them for them to get better jobs in there own country then?
humanitarian foreign aid has negative effects on the recipient country's employment and tax base
only serves to sustain population growth and alleviating starvation, really. which just creates more poor people in the future, so you send more money in the future, and the problem multiplies.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:36 pm
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:38 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Oh my. Assuming is bad for you.
Actually, I'd be more for a raise in wages for H-2B and H-2A workers, something that reflects they are both temporary and low-skill labor. I'd most likely push for 5-10,000 dollars being free per season post-tax and costs of living, adjusted for the immigrant country's economy and whatnot.
But you know, sure, I am such a horrible person that would advocate slavery with much less class and charisma. I totally am not an egalitarian like yourself who sincerely told me 7.25 an hour is so great for a Haitian.
I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.
. I mean, how could I forget that unless I bow down and suck the majestic dick of liberal equality I don't get to have good ideas? Of course not, that's just bullshit I just came up with.
by Farnhamia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:39 pm
Sargassas wrote:Well, Donny has to appeal to his hillbilly voting base.
by Chernoslavia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:39 pm
Israeli Defense Force wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So you're going for "shut up" rather than "put up". Guess that doesn't bode well for your claims about my conduct.
lol I take it you're afraid to answer the question.
You asked for evidence. I gave it and backed my own post up. Like I said, if you don't think he's a racist then why are you responding? It's not so much "shut up" as it is you need to "put up" because otherwise I don't understand why you're still here after being btfo.
by Trumptonium » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:41 pm
Chernoslavia wrote:Israeli Defense Force wrote:
lol I take it you're afraid to answer the question.
You asked for evidence. I gave it and backed my own post up. Like I said, if you don't think he's a racist then why are you responding? It's not so much "shut up" as it is you need to "put up" because otherwise I don't understand why you're still here after being btfo.
Yeah, he does that. On the European refugees thread someone provided him a source he asked for and he just denounced it as false because he doesn't trust the website.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:42 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I am no fan of Trump, but low-skill labor visas like H-2A and H-2B are literally for low-skill labor, which if you cry about them says more about you and what you think of Haitians and other sorts of immigrants than it does about Trump, that you think this is proper help, seasonal farm hands for the US at shit wages.
I'm sorry that you can't use alternative facts. It must be hard for you.
Or do you think that eliminating the visa program will raise the wages of the nonexistent workers? This must be the 12D chess I've heard so much about! Brilliant! Quantum labor!
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by Israeli Defense Force » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:42 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Yeah it was a paradise before that, I'll tell you what.
To be fair, I get it, but the problem is that they live in the Caribbean, and in an area that, unfortunately, sees a lot of hurricanes and other natural disasters.
The French seriously did not think that one through to make Haiti a colony and settle it.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:44 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:There are plenty of non-liberals who have good ideas.
You're just not one of them.
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by Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:44 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:No, it won't.
But if you think low wage labor for low skill workers is the best Haitians can hope from the United States, and that makes you think he's a racist because he's canceling a shit program that puts people into the equivalent of indentured servitude, it really says more about about you than it does about Trump in regards of immigrants.
Let's not forget, you sincerely believe 7.25 an hour is such a good deal for a Haitian eating shit in Haiti.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:46 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:No, I think it's a better deal. You should understand comparatives at this point in your life. Basic grammar and all that jazz.
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