FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Holy Tedalonia]

It’s not required no. Undue restrictions on the internet, like the NK or China’s great firewall, would be considered restricting freedom of speech but not having NN is not.


No we have not lost free speech. The internet is only a medium for expression it is not a right in of itself. And furthermore like Grim said that if you believe that taking away NN and privatization of the internet is a restriction of freedom of speech then you must believe that all capitalism is a restriction on freedom of speech.

Then, to a free speech absolutist, capitalism is a restriction of freedom of speech because we have no recourse from Private censorship which must be illgalized. Freedom of speech and expression must be allowed to flourish without corporate interference. That is the only way we can truly live in a free society. Telecoms will have the power to censor any content they desire. That is disgusting and cannot be tolerated at all, regardless of whether or not the internet is human right.

In other words, I don't care if It's not a human right. It's objective that the internet be free and open and to hell with the Isps who don't like that idea.

Freedom of speech doesn't really extend beyond words, save gestures.

I agree though that censorship is dumb though, even website censorship to an extent, but any sort of internet censorship is tolerable at best.

[Vassenor]

According to the UDHR the right to self defense is to be protected and is a human right. So under the UDHR definition owning a gun for self defense is a human right


Ya no. Free speech is an official part of the UDHR, it is a human right. The internet is not.

Oh right, I forgot that guns are the only valid means of self-defence in the world.

Addendum - there isn't actually a reference to self-defence in the UDHR.

[Thermodolia]

It’s not required no. Undue restrictions on the internet, like the NK or China’s great firewall, would be considered restricting freedom of speech but not having NN is not.


No we have not lost free speech. The internet is only a medium for expression it is not a right in of itself. And furthermore like Grim said that if you believe that taking away NN and privatization of the internet is a restriction of freedom of speech then you must believe that all capitalism is a restriction on freedom of speech.

Then, to a free speech absolutist, capitalism is a restriction of freedom of speech because we have no recourse from Private censorship which must be illgalized. Freedom of speech and expression must be allowed to flourish without corporate interference. That is the only way we can truly live in a free society. Telecoms will have the power to censor any content they desire. That is disgusting and cannot be tolerated at all, regardless of whether or not the internet is human right.

In other words, I don't care if It's not a human right. It's objective that the internet be free and open and to hell with the Isps who don't like that idea.

So by that standard I should be allowed to call you a “fucking idiot”? That’s free speech and if you disagree you are restricting my free speech. And the mods can’t do anything either because according to your definition restricting freedom of speech on the internet is bad. So the mods banning me from this website would be according to you against freedom of speech.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Then, to a free speech absolutist, capitalism is a restriction of freedom of speech because we have no recourse from Private censorship which must be illgalized. Freedom of speech and expression must be allowed to flourish without corporate interference. That is the only way we can truly live in a free society. Telecoms will have the power to censor any content they desire. That is disgusting and cannot be tolerated at all, regardless of whether or not the internet is human right.

In other words, I don't care if It's not a human right. It's objective that the internet be free and open and to hell with the Isps who don't like that idea.

So by that standard I should be allowed to call you a “fucking idiot”? That’s free speech and if you disagree you are restricting my free speech. And the mods can’t do anything either because according to your definition restricting freedom of speech on the internet is bad. So the mods banning me from this website would be according to you against freedom of speech.

If that was against me, I'd wouldn't really care, or I'd just rationalize your point doesn't matter, since the opinion of people on the internet is insignificant to IRL opinions.

[The Flutterlands]

Then, to a free speech absolutist, capitalism is a restriction of freedom of speech because we have no recourse from Private censorship which must be illgalized. Freedom of speech and expression must be allowed to flourish without corporate interference. That is the only way we can truly live in a free society. Telecoms will have the power to censor any content they desire. That is disgusting and cannot be tolerated at all, regardless of whether or not the internet is human right.

In other words, I don't care if It's not a human right. It's objective that the internet be free and open and to hell with the Isps who don't like that idea.

So by that standard I should be allowed to call you a “fucking idiot”? That’s free speech and if you disagree you are restricting my free speech. And the mods can’t do anything either because according to your definition restricting freedom of speech on the internet is bad. So the mods banning me from this website would be according to you against freedom of speech.

No. There is a difference between speaking your political Opinon and being a jerk. Even with free speech I still believe in etiquacy.

[Thermodolia]

Oh right, I forgot that guns are the only valid means of self-defence in the world.

Addendum - there isn't actually a reference to self-defence in the UDHR.

Or is there?

Article 3:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person

The bolded could apply to self defense as to be secure and safe is a human right. Self defense helps one be secure and therefore self defense is a human right.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Documents/ ... ns/eng.pdf

[Thermodolia]

So by that standard I should be allowed to call you a “fucking idiot”? That’s free speech and if you disagree you are restricting my free speech. And the mods can’t do anything either because according to your definition restricting freedom of speech on the internet is bad. So the mods banning me from this website would be according to you against freedom of speech.

No. There is a difference between speaking your political Opinon and being a jerk. Even with free speech I still believe in etiquacy.

But that’s a restriction of my free speech. It’s my political opinion that you are that. You yourself said that you’re a free speech absolutist. Evidently you are not because you are willing for some speech to restricted.

[Holy Tedalonia]

So by that standard I should be allowed to call you a “fucking idiot”? That’s free speech and if you disagree you are restricting my free speech. And the mods can’t do anything either because according to your definition restricting freedom of speech on the internet is bad. So the mods banning me from this website would be according to you against freedom of speech.

No. There is a difference between speaking your political Opinon and being a jerk. Even with free speech I still believe in etiquacy.

No, not really. Free speech was made for jerks. Why do you think those who actively slandered the king pushed for this?

[The Flutterlands]

No. There is a difference between speaking your political Opinon and being a jerk. Even with free speech I still believe in etiquacy.

But that’s a restriction of my free speech. It’s my political opinion that you are that. You yourself said that you’re a free speech absolutist. Evidently you are not because you are willing for some speech to restricted.

Don't play this game using my words against me.

[Thermodolia]

But that’s a restriction of my free speech. It’s my political opinion that you are that. You yourself said that you’re a free speech absolutist. Evidently you are not because you are willing for some speech to restricted.

Don't play this game using my words against me.

That’s called debating dude. If you don’t want to feel the heat then get out of the kitchen

[The Flutterlands]

Put it this fucking away, with corporations censoring the internet, it will become difficult for political uprisings to occur. Bernie Sanders' s progressive movement wouldn't have been a thing if it werent for the free and open internet, because the media doesn't talk about him. Itcwould be the same for other political candidates who wish to make positive change to the country. Without the free and open internet we wouldn't have websites like "The Intercept" that reports all the terrible things our government does that the MSM doesn't report. Heck, you wouldn't be able to criticize your own ISP without getting blocked and censored. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation without the free and open internet.

Don't you see how awful this all is? This is what makes the internet essential to Democracy. We never had such power to gain information, to communicate and protest without net neutrality. Why can't you see how much of a big deal this all is? Doesn't this bother you to have news and political campaigns censored out of existence?

https://youtu.be/9jCZwlkU0i4

Listen to this guy. Listen to Every thing he say.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Put it this fucking away, with corporations censoring the internet, it will become difficult for political uprisings to occur. Bernie Sanders' s progressive movement wouldn't have been a thing if it werent for the free and open internet, because the media doesn't talk about him. Itcwould be the same for other political candidates who wish to make positive change to the country. Without the free and open internet we wouldn't have websites like "The Intercept" that reports all the terrible things our government does that the MSM doesn't report. Heck, you wouldn't be able to criticize your own ISP without getting blocked and censored. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation without the free and open internet.

Don't you see how awful this all is? This is what makes the internet essential to Democracy. We never had such power to gain information, to communicate and protest without net neutrality. Why can't you see how much of a big deal this all is? Doesn't this bother you to have news and political campaigns censored out of existence?

If I recall censorship on video games, movies, and etc was a progressive thing for those overcaring mothers. Including the rating system.

[The Flutterlands]

Put it this fucking away, with corporations censoring the internet, it will become difficult for political uprisings to occur. Bernie Sanders' s progressive movement wouldn't have been a thing if it werent for the free and open internet, because the media doesn't talk about him. Itcwould be the same for other political candidates who wish to make positive change to the country. Without the free and open internet we wouldn't have websites like "The Intercept" that reports all the terrible things our government does that the MSM doesn't report. Heck, you wouldn't be able to criticize your own ISP without getting blocked and censored. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation without the free and open internet.

Don't you see how awful this all is? This is what makes the internet essential to Democracy. We never had such power to gain information, to communicate and protest without net neutrality. Why can't you see how much of a big deal this all is? Doesn't this bother you to have news and political campaigns censored out of existence?

If I recall censorship on video games, movies, and etc was a progressive thing for those overcaring mothers. Including the rating system.

That is not the fucking point! You didn't read a god damn thing I just said! Other wise you have said something actually relevant. Corporations will silence us and political allies simply because they have the power and disagreement to do so.

[Ifreann]

It's objective that the internet be free and open

This doesn't even mean anything.

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Put it this fucking away, with corporations censoring the internet, it will become difficult for political uprisings to occur. Bernie Sanders' s progressive movement wouldn't have been a thing if it werent for the free and open internet, because the media doesn't talk about him. Itcwould be the same for other political candidates who wish to make positive change to the country. Without the free and open internet we wouldn't have websites like "The Intercept" that reports all the terrible things our government does that the MSM doesn't report. Heck, you wouldn't be able to criticize your own ISP without getting blocked and censored. We probably wouldn't even be having this conversation without the free and open internet.

Don't you see how awful this all is? This is what makes the internet essential to Democracy. We never had such power to gain information, to communicate and protest without net neutrality. Why can't you see how much of a big deal this all is? Doesn't this bother you to have news and political campaigns censored out of existence?

But they won't be. Net Neutrality will be gone for a few years. American ISPs aren't going to take over the world in that time.

https://youtu.be/9jCZwlkU0i4

Listen to this guy. Listen to Every thing he say.

No.

[The Flutterlands]

It's objective that the internet be free and open

This doesn't even mean anything.

ISPs didn't create the internet. They shouldn't get to own the internet. That is the gospel truth and the only truth in the Net Neutrality debate. Net Neutrality advocates are right and Ajit Pai & Co are wrong.

[Ifreann]

This doesn't even mean anything.

ISPs didn't create the internet. They shouldn't get to own the internet.

Removing net neutrality doesn't give them ownership of the internet.

That is the gospel truth and the only truth in the Net Neutrality debate.

It's irrelevant.

Net Neutrality advocates are right and Ajit Pai & Co are wrong.

You're posting gibberish if that's what you were trying to express by "It's objective that the internet be free and open".

Consider calming down and reading your posts before you hit submit so that you don't leave out half the sentence you're trying to write.

[The Flutterlands]

ISPs didn't create the internet. They shouldn't get to own the internet.

Removing net neutrality doesn't give them ownership of the internet.

Actually it does because ISPs will get complete control over what you do and say on the internet. That is corporate tyranny.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Removing net neutrality doesn't give them ownership of the internet.

Actually it does because ISPs will get complete control over what you do and say on the internet.

Wrong.

[Holy Tedalonia]

If I recall censorship on video games, movies, and etc was a progressive thing for those overcaring mothers. Including the rating system.

That is not the fucking point! You didn't read a god damn thing I just said! Other wise you have said something actually relevant. Corporations will silence us and political allies simply because they have the power and disagreement to do so.

You mean corporations like Google who censor YouTube?

Perhaps you mean the ESRB who tell parents what to filter?

Maybe you hate the idea of corporations using safe filters?

[Ifreann]

Removing net neutrality doesn't give them ownership of the internet.

Actually it does because ISPs will get complete control over what you do and say on the internet.

No they won't. You're being ridiculous.

[The Flutterlands]

Actually it does because ISPs will get complete control over what you do and say on the internet.

Wrong.

How am I wrong? Explain to me how ISPs won't be able to sterilize the internet of everything they disagree with? Explain to me why wouldn't they having the power to do so. Why wouldn't they set a toll system and censore those who can't pay the bribe?

[Ifreann]

:D

Wrong.

How am I wrong? Explain to me how ISPs won't be able to sterilize the internet of everything they disagree with? Explain to me why wouldn't they having the power to do so.

Explain to me how American ISPs are going to do shit to how I use the internet here in Not America.

[The Flutterlands]

:D
How am I wrong? Explain to me how ISPs won't be able to sterilize the internet of everything they disagree with? Explain to me why wouldn't they having the power to do so.

Explain to me how American ISPs are going to do shit to how I use the internet here in Not America.

They will censure American internet. It will be different for every ISP.

[Ifreann]

Explain to me how American ISPs are going to do shit to how I use the internet here in Not America.

They will censure American internet. It will be different for every ISP.

They're going to try and get more money without causing so great an outrage that it ultimately costs them money. They're not going to censor things for the lulz. They're not going to stop you from submitting your college assignments online. They're not going to delete your beloved Bernie from the internet.

[Luminesa]

This doesn't even mean anything.

ISPs didn't create the internet. They shouldn't get to own the internet. That is the gospel truth and the only truth in the Net Neutrality debate. Net Neutrality advocates are right and Ajit Pai & Co are wrong.

If you don’t care so much for religion anymore, then stop comparing the internet to a religion. Honestly, it almost seems as though you’re not sure what you believe. You say you don’t care about religion, but then you use religious language to justify your internet addiction? If your life is so incredibly unstable that the internet has really become your religion, then why are you on here instead of trying to maybe live a healthier life?