Advertisement
by Somecoldwetislands » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:42 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:09 pm
by States of Glory » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:52 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:57 pm
States of Glory wrote:Isn't it a little disingenuous to claim that only economists care about the economic impacts of Brexit? Sure, there are other, arguably more important, factors at play, but seeing as how the state of the economy affects us all regardless of how much we may try to ignore it, I don't buy the argument that most Brexiteers do not care a single iota about it. While I wouldn't go as far as to say that the £350 million claim tipped the scales, the overarching point that Brexit would actually improve our economy certainly played a role in why some people voted to leave (though I will concede that it didn't play as large a role as other factors such as sovereignty and immigration).
In addition, it certainly appears to have played a role during elections. Perhaps Bill Clinton would have won in a landslide even without the 'it's the economy, stupid' slogan. Perhaps Gordon Brown would lost the 2010 election even without the recession. Perhaps Jeremy Corbyn would have denied the Conservatives a majority even without the years of austerity. Perhaps Scotland would have voted against independence even if there were unanimous agreement that the Scottish economy would benefit greatly. Indeed, perhaps correlation in these cases does not imply causation. My take on this, however, is that whenever there is an election or referendum, the economy plays a significant role, if not the main role. Not on a macro level, perhaps, but on the level of 'Can I feed my family?' and 'Can I pay for my rent?'.
Even if I accept your argument that most people don't give a damn about economic downsides, perhaps they should? As I said, economics affects us all, debatably even more than a subject like maths does; it would make sense, then, to make it mandatory. I think that mandatory university courses on the subject are disproportionate and impractical, and I could even see the argument that mandatory GCSEs on it have the same downside (albeit on a smaller scale), but surely, laying the basic framework so that the common individual has both interest and understanding will go some way towards alleviating this potential apathy towards such a fundamental part of our lives?
by Hydesland » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:57 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:02 pm
Hydesland wrote:You're misscharacterizing what's going on, progresssives and liberals are angry at Brexit for being an insular, unnecessary, harmful action that will empower right wing governments to fuck society harder. Economists, and academics in general, tend to be liberal or left leaning - so oppose Brexit on these grounds.
But there's a second thing making economists angry - and it's the massive amounts of disinformation that is being spread about Brexit, the total nonsense and made up figures that were trotted out by the leave campaign - regardless of their actual underlying stance on Brexit, why shouldn't that make them angry? Why shouldn't experts be angry when they see lies about the economic consequences being spread? It has nothing to do with trying to enforce a "neoliberal" (there's that word again) order, and fetishising money - this completely misses the normative/positive distinction culture in economics: economists actively avoid activism and dictating policy because these normative actions compromise good, unbiased research. They don't expect the public to only care about economic consequences, that's an absurd strawman.
by Trumptonium » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:41 am
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:45 am
Commenting on the idea, self-proclaimed anti-feminist Elizabeth Hobson told RT: “Is it crazy? I say no but in a way it kind of is, and the reason is because we have a gynocentric society which only cares about women.”
Claiming that boys born in 2016 are 75 percent less likely than girls to go to university, she added: “These are all issues that need to be addressed and need watching over by a minister for men.”
However, journalist and feminist Sarah Robertson had a diverging opinion as she said: “The whole idea is nonsense, men don’t have to fight to become equal citizens, they already are. It is women who are having to fight to become equal citizens with men.”
She said that one of the battles is in the workplace, as “there is still a huge, ongoing issue with gender pay gap which still hasn’t been resolved. So the idea of a minister for men is just ridiculous.”
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:12 am
by Philjia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:22 am
Nemesis the Warlock wrote:I am the Nemesis, I am the Warlock, I am the shape of things to come, the Lord of the Flies, holder of the Sword Sinister, the Death Bringer, I am the one who waits on the edge of your dreams, I am all these things and many more
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am
Philjia wrote:Why does everyone have to be so fucking dichotomous about gender politics? Men have problems. Women have problems. Men cause problems. Women cause problems. Can we stop arguing about who has it worse and whose fault it is, and get on with solving them?
Ifreann wrote:Menister. Or manister?
by Minoa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:10 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:29 pm
Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
by Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:33 pm
Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
by Eibenland » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:14 pm
Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:17 pm
Eibenland wrote:Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
Why was one guy holding up an American flag?
by Anywhere Else But Here » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:36 pm
Eibenland wrote:Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
Why was one guy holding up an American flag?
by States of Glory » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:59 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:“The whole idea is nonsense, men don’t have to fight to become equal citizens, they already are. It is women who are having to fight to become equal citizens with men.”
Eibenland wrote:Minoa wrote:Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters
The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.
Why was one guy holding up an American flag?
by Philjia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:05 pm
Nemesis the Warlock wrote:I am the Nemesis, I am the Warlock, I am the shape of things to come, the Lord of the Flies, holder of the Sword Sinister, the Death Bringer, I am the one who waits on the edge of your dreams, I am all these things and many more
by Trumptonium » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:12 pm
Philjia wrote:So are the DUP and Sinn Fein actually trying to sort out a deal anymore?
by States of Glory » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:15 pm
Philjia wrote:So are the DUP and Sinn Fein actually trying to sort out a deal anymore?
by Fartsniffage » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:20 pm
by States of Glory » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:25 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:30 pm
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Cessarea, Liberal Malaysia, Nationalist Northumbria, The Huskar Social Union, Vussul, ZaDakka
Advertisement