Trump MAGAThread XI: Button, Button, Who's Got The Button?

[Conserative Morality]

Are you seriously using "well YOU try running the business" as a fucking argument right now?
I do not give two shits how they choose to run their business but if YOU want to claim they could not previously give their employees a decent wage with their yearly revenue than I'm going to call that bullshit out.
What has already been demonstrated is that there have and do exist many companies which DO actually pay their workers a decent wage without having to slash their hours to part-time and yet somehow avoid bankruptcy, must be fucking sorcery amirite?

You see, Wal-Mart needs greater gross profits as a percentage of their income because reasons. Good reasons. Because they're good capitalists, and they deserve it. Except when they hire overseas, at which point they are destroying the American worker. Unless they can be used to support Trump, in which case that doesn't matter.

[Conserative Morality]

Also isn't the Carrier plant that Trump bragged about saving going to close for real now?

No, that's fake news. Trump would never make a bad short-term deal to brand his 'success' in the astoundingly fleeting memory of his base.

[Rostavykhan]

I wonder if Trump supporters remember about how Trump was going to stop the oppression of big international corporations, or if that was too long ago to regard as still part of their warped reality.

Or maybe that's simultaneously true with the blatant adoration of international business now? Doublethink is a powerful tool, I guess.

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[Oil exporting People]

Are you seriously using "well YOU try running the business" as a fucking argument right now?

No, I asked you how you should think they should solve the efficiency problems you stated they have; you clearly implied a level of understanding of corporate operations, so I'm asking for you to share your expertise. Do enlighten us.

I do not give two shits how they choose to run their business but if YOU want to claim they could not previously give their employees a decent wage with their yearly revenue than I'm going to call that bullshit out.

Okay then, where's your argument?

What has already been demonstrated is that there have and do exist many companies which DO actually pay their workers a decent wage without having to slash their hours to part-time and yet somehow avoid bankruptcy, must be fucking sorcery amirite?

No, it's explained by basic economics. Costco, for example, outsources parts of their logistics chain while Walmart operates its own and, as already noted, has about 100 more employees per store than Costco does.

[Jerzylvania]

Sounds like Walmart has an efficiency problem.

Or you don't understand the basics of scale; Walmart has 11,000 locations, Costco only 7,000.

Costco is a warehouse club, Walmart is not. Walmart invented Sams Club to compete with Costco. How many Sam's Club stores is actually the proper comparison OEP.

[Genivaria]

There's only one way to solve efficiency issues.

They don't involve raising wages or hiring more people 95% of the time.

Or changing how you do shipments, or inventory, or advertisements, or building maintenance and construction...

[Uxupox]

There's only one way to solve efficiency issues.

They don't involve raising wages or hiring more people 95% of the time.

You could also incorporate some measures of virtualization to increase efficiency in the supply chain management processes but most likely doing this will involve laying people off.

There's only one way to solve efficiency issues.

They don't involve raising wages or hiring more people 95% of the time.

Or changing how you do shipments, or inventory, or advertisements, or building maintenance and construction...

See above.

[Improved werpland]

Interesting that he is achieving what Democrats constantly shilled for (raising minimum wage) without having to do a blanket federal increase screwing over small businesses.

Better than shilling for the 1%, of which he is a member.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Amazingly, Trump's new immigration plan isn't vastly different from what I would want. Continue DACA, secure the border (although I wouldn't prefer a wall to do that), and make everyone who's already here a citizen because of the vast ethical, economic, and social costs of deporting millions of people.

[Oil exporting People]

That it sounds like they have an efficiency problem, if I knew what that problem WAS I'd likely be working for Walmart.

Okay, what type of efficiency problem do they have? We were talking about employee counts, not electrical bills or any of that such, so that really narrows it down according to you on what their efficiency problem is.

[Grand Britannia]

There's only one way to solve efficiency issues.

They don't involve raising wages or hiring more people 95% of the time.

Or changing how you do shipments, or inventory, or advertisements, or building maintenance and construction...

All of those options are capital intensive and require investment rather than hiring more people.

Which again, goes back to square one of not needing to hire more people to be "more efficient".

[Vassenor]

Or you don't understand the basics of scale; Walmart has 11,000 locations, Costco only 7,000.

Costco is a warehouse club, Walmart is not. Walmart invented Sams Club to compete with Costco. How many Sam's Club stores is actually the proper comparison OEP.

Considering they've just closed sixty-three of those, with the loss of thousands of jobs...

[Oil exporting People]

Costco is a warehouse club, Walmart is not. Walmart invented Sams Club to compete with Costco. How many Sam's Club stores is actually the proper comparison OEP.

I didn't start this particular comparison.

[Genivaria]

That it sounds like they have an efficiency problem, if I knew what that problem WAS I'd likely be working for Walmart.

Okay, what type of efficiency problem do they have? We were talking about employee counts, not electrical bills or any of that such, so that really narrows it down according to you on what their efficiency problem is.

....you do know I JUST responded to this right?
Are you going to keep repeating yourself if you don't like the answer?

[Uxupox]

Costco is a warehouse club, Walmart is not. Walmart invented Sams Club to compete with Costco. How many Sam's Club stores is actually the proper comparison OEP.

Considering they've just closed sixty-three of those, with the loss of thousands of jobs...

E-commercializing is a very definite way of increasing efficiency in such chain stores but once again it also involves laying people off.

[Genivaria]

Costco is a warehouse club, Walmart is not. Walmart invented Sams Club to compete with Costco. How many Sam's Club stores is actually the proper comparison OEP.

Considering they've just closed sixty-three of those, with the loss of thousands of jobs...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam%27s_Club

Sam's Club had sales of $57.157 billion in FY 2014.[4] It reported a 0.3% sales increase in 2014, 4.1% in 2013, and 8.4% sales increase in 2012. This is significantly higher growth than Walmart U.S. stores, which have not had higher than 2% growth since 2010.[4]

Ouch.

[Oil exporting People]

....you do know I JUST responded to this right?
Are you going to keep repeating yourself if you don't like the answer?

No, I don't believe you did.

[Conserative Morality]

That it sounds like they have an efficiency problem, if I knew what that problem WAS I'd likely be working for Walmart.

Okay, what type of efficiency problem do they have? We were talking about employee counts, not electrical bills or any of that such, so that really narrows it down according to you on what their efficiency problem is.

Why don't we go back to what started this conversation?

They claim.

So what evidence do you hold to the contrary of their claims? Are you better aware of Walmart's finances then Walmart?

Awareness and honesty are two different things you know.

Which you clearly lack, given you just compared a company with 231,000 employees to one with 1.4 Million U.S. employees.

To which Geni accused them of having an efficiency problem if the one making significantly more per employee couldn't afford to pay its employees the amount that the significantly less profitable organization could; such a situation would demand tremendous inefficiency - theoretically in such places as shipping, organization, etc, but more realistically in the abuse and graft of the higher echelons of the corporate hierarchy sucking each other off.

[Grand Britannia]

Considering they've just closed sixty-three of those, with the loss of thousands of jobs...

E-commercializing is a very definite way of increasing efficiency in such chain stores but once again it also involves laying people off.

They're trying to compete with Amazon so I'm not surprised.

[Vassenor]

But yeah, why would they be doing that if the Cut Cut Cut Act has left them flush with cash?

[Genivaria]

E-commercializing is a very definite way of increasing efficiency in such chain stores but once again it also involves laying people off.

They're trying to compete with Amazon so I'm not surprised.

Regardless of all previous arguments it seems indisputable that digital companies seem to have an almost unfair advantage.

[Uxupox]

But yeah, why would they be doing that if the Cut Cut Cut Act has left them flush with cash?

dude... that is chapter I of wealth of nations. Division of labor.

[Grand Britannia]

But yeah, why would they be doing that if the Cut Cut Cut Act has left them flush with cash?

Because they're no longer needed.

[Conserative Morality]

dude... that is chapter I of wealth of nations. Division of labor.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of 'Division of labor'. The Wealth of Nations is very clear on the meaning.

[Conserative Morality]

Because they're no longer needed.

No longer needed to... what? Make money?