Trump MAGAThread XI: Button, Button, Who's Got The Button?

[The Black Forrest]

Because I used to get angry. I used to get sad. All it did was ruin my life and put me in a position I could help less.

How? How is watching the world burn ruin your life any less than actually taking a stand?

Learn to play the violin.

[Vassenor]

So what's the fallout like so far?

[Vassenor]

How? How is watching the world burn ruin your life any less than actually taking a stand?

Learn to play the violin.

I thought Nero played the lyre.

[The Black Forrest]

Learn to play the violin.

I thought Nero played the lyre.

Do they teach that anymore?

[Petrasylvania]

I thought Nero played the lyre.

Do they teach that anymore?

They even make those anymore?

[The Flutterlands]

Then we need to take action into our own hand, same with marijuana and net neutrality, the states must become assertive and throw every middle finger at the Federal Government when it attacks their rights of protecting the environment. We have a moral obligation to do this and to defy the government on these issues, even at the expense of court orders. No matter the punishment, we will have the moral high ground.

Net Neutrality's nice, pot's fun, but I have a higher priority right now so it's hard for me to get fired up about your pet causes. The loss of Net Neutrality would be an inconvenience, and I live in Federally subsidized housing so I couldn't smoke pot no matter what state law says, but if they succeed in taking a chainsaw to Medicare/Medicaid it will literally be the death of me. I'll worry about that other stuff -- including the environment -- once I no longer have to worry about my survival.

Losing the right to a free and open internet that a great number of people are economically dependent on is anything but an inconvenience. It is the end of the fucking world, along with freedom of expression,
Speech and democracy in the digital age

[Neutraligon]

Net Neutrality's nice, pot's fun, but I have a higher priority right now so it's hard for me to get fired up about your pet causes. The loss of Net Neutrality would be an inconvenience, and I live in Federally subsidized housing so I couldn't smoke pot no matter what state law says, but if they succeed in taking a chainsaw to Medicare/Medicaid it will literally be the death of me. I'll worry about that other stuff -- including the environment -- once I no longer have to worry about my survival.

Losing the right to a free and open internet that a great number of people are economically dependent on is anything but an inconvenience. It is the end of the fucking world, along with freedom of expression,
Speech and democracy in the digital age

Funny, Net Neutrality has supposedly already ended, and here we are...expressing our opinions.

[The Flutterlands]

Losing the right to a free and open internet that a great number of people are economically dependent on is anything but an inconvenience. It is the end of the fucking world, along with freedom of expression,
Speech and democracy in the digital age

Funny, Net Neutrality has supposedly already ended, and here we are...expressing our opinions.

It's not official yet...

[Neutraligon]

Funny, Net Neutrality has supposedly already ended, and here we are...expressing our opinions.

It's not official yet...

And is unlikely to change us being able to express opinions on the internet. Or...for that matter will not stop us expressing opinions off the internet.

[Jerzylvania]

Do they teach that anymore?

They even make those anymore?

In 2018? Hmmm?
*checks*
Uhhh. It says.... "available now ONLY in the afterlife."

Wow. End of days lyres.

[Jerzylvania]

It's not official yet...

And is unlikely to change us being able to express opinions on the internet. Or...for that matter will not stop us expressing opinions off the internet.

Yep. They're a few yearss away from that yet.

[The Flutterlands]

It's not official yet...

And is unlikely to change us being able to express opinions on the internet. Or...for that matter will not stop us expressing opinions off the internet.

It is far worse than censoring opinions you know. This is what they are supposedly trying to do:

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/com ... it-android

**tl;dr: This is part of a five step process to turn broadband data in the US into the monetization platform cable had. This is due to cord cutting. Source : multiple contacts in the industry including myself to an extent **

**Edit: Step 3 is happening way sooner than expected. [Check out the video in another reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7o30lo/anti_colorado_municipal_broadband_service/) and let me know if you notice anything interesting about the language used at the end**

Most people are missing the bigger picture here, and it's not about slowing speeds across the board.

The real goal here is to get all data under one umbrella, then impose data caps (extremely low ones), then use the repeal of Net Neutrality to push cable-like packages for things like Netflix and Twitch to have those sites avoid counting against the cap.

The push to get all mobile and otherwise non-broadband data classified as broadband is to assure that **any data you use on any device counts against a cap**.

The slow and imminent death of cable is the cause of this. The reason ISPs didn't start down this path earlier was because cord cutting wasn't nearly as prevalent five years ago, and companies still didn't have a clear cut path to monetizing the internet.

So, this is just the next step. Look for language about caps to come up after midterms, and for aggressive bills to be pushed through allowing very low data caps nationwide.

You will also see some sort of push to completely remove the possibility of start up ISPs. This will take form in an infrastructure bill severely limiting access to poles and underground junctions by new companies without direct permission from the existing ISPs that have cable on those poles.

Step 1: repealing Net Neutrality. This allows them to offer packages that don't count against a data cap.

Step 2: push to classify all data under one umbrella, so all data counts against said cap.

Step 3: eliminate the possibility of local ISP startups by making access to infrastructure either impossible, unreasonably expensive, or take far too much time for a new company to feasibly compete. Edit: To clarify, and to take from another post that I wrote before I saw the [new video trying to propagate against local startup/municipal ISPs](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7o30lo/anti_colorado_municipal_broadband_service/):

> As to the infrastructure side start looking for ads and bills being pushed to "focus on local safety and security" and to "improve infrastructure and roads", these are ways to pass things that don't let upstarts near the junctions, poles, and do the required splicing to actually get access to the existing network.

Step 4: implement data caps. This will be the time where aggressive shilling will take place on the form of "everyone is using so much internet we have to. You can't just let these people take your internet!"

Step 5: this is the end game that we are talking about when NN got thrown out. Majority of plans will have a 10-20 GB data plan monthly. Going over will be extremely expensive. Packages will be offered for different websites to not count against that cap. This is where you can expect to pay over 100$ a month for just internet for the same speeds you have now for unlimited access to only certain sites. Torrenting will clearly be hit extremely hard here.

Source: Have family who work in the industry and also work for an electrical contractor who does work for some ISPs, the plans are starting to get out.

edit: Clarified the infrastructure part as its actually immediately relevant due to another post on the front page as we speak.

[Community Values]

And is unlikely to change us being able to express opinions on the internet. Or...for that matter will not stop us expressing opinions off the internet.

It is far worse than censoring opinions you know. This is what they are supposedly trying to do:

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/com ... it-android

**tl;dr: This is part of a five step process to turn broadband data in the US into the monetization platform cable had. This is due to cord cutting. Source : multiple contacts in the industry including myself to an extent **

hmmm, a reddit source that has no sources but ""multiple contacts in the industry"" Seems reasonable.

[Thermodolia]

So again, what exactly do you plan to do about it, besides scream on NSG?

Urge and give my support to states fighting this...

Because that’s going to go swell. I seem to remember that the federal government can overrule the states.

[The Flutterlands]

Urge and give my support to states fighting this...

Because that’s going to go swell. I seem to remember that the federal government can overrule the states.

Ignore the overriding. The federal government doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned in this matter. They can go to hell.

[Post War America]

I thought Nero played the lyre.

Do they teach that anymore?

I think they finally got around to being able to make them again.

[Community Values]

Actually though, why are the parties so hypocritical when it comes to states' rights? I guess a state can do whatever it wants until it goes against muh family values.

[Thermodolia]

And beyond that, because I am pretty sure the people on this website do that, or vote along those lines, or any other number of things. What do you do if those two things fail? What do you think states can do to fight this?

As a side question who has rights to regulate what happens withing the territorial waters of the US, the state or the federal government?

Then we need to take action into our own hand, same with marijuana and net neutrality, the states must become assertive and throw every middle finger at the Federal Government when it attacks their rights of protecting the environment. We have a moral obligation to do this and to defy the government on these issues, even at the expense of court orders. No matter the punishment, we will have the moral high ground.

So why aren’t you going and chaining yourself to some government building?

[Thermodolia]

Net Neutrality's nice, pot's fun, but I have a higher priority right now so it's hard for me to get fired up about your pet causes. The loss of Net Neutrality would be an inconvenience, and I live in Federally subsidized housing so I couldn't smoke pot no matter what state law says, but if they succeed in taking a chainsaw to Medicare/Medicaid it will literally be the death of me. I'll worry about that other stuff -- including the environment -- once I no longer have to worry about my survival.

Losing the right to a free and open internet that a great number of people are economically dependent on is anything but an inconvenience. It is the end of the fucking world, along with freedom of expression,
Speech and democracy in the digital age

The internet was pretty free before 2014 so I don’t know where you got that idea

[Thermodolia]

Because that’s going to go swell. I seem to remember that the federal government can overrule the states.

Ignore the overriding. The federal government doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned in this matter. They can go to hell.

The US military MPs will make you rethink that statement

[The Flutterlands]

Losing the right to a free and open internet that a great number of people are economically dependent on is anything but an inconvenience. It is the end of the fucking world, along with freedom of expression,
Speech and democracy in the digital age

The internet was pretty free before 2014 so I don’t know where you got that idea

That is because the internet wasn't as profitable back then. Now that everyone uses it for everyday needs it has become a cash cow for ISPs to extort and rape.

[The Flutterlands]

Ignore the overriding. The federal government doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned in this matter. They can go to hell.

The US military MPs will make you rethink that statement

They will go to war over net neutrality at the behest of Corporations? Then we truly are a plutocracy.

[Thermodolia]

The internet was pretty free before 2014 so I don’t know where you got that idea

That is because the internet wasn't as profitable back then. Now that everyone uses it for everyday needs it has become a cash cow for ISPs to extort and rape.

Um the internet was fucking profitable from 2008-2014 and that was before NN. Did the world for you begin in 2015 or something? We can survive without the internet, I did. We didn’t have internet until 2005.

[Thermodolia]

The US military MPs will make you rethink that statement

They will go to war over net neutrality at the behest of Corporations? Then we truly are a plutocracy.

No it’s called federalizing the national guard. Ya know what the US government did during the civil rights movement when the state governors wouldn’t desegregate

[Ifreann]

It is the end of the fucking world

Get a fucking grip. Gods great and lesser, do you not have even the slightest understanding of history? Every right you currently enjoy has, at some point or another, been denied to people. Either denied to a subset of society while the rest enjoyed it, or denied to society as a whole and not even recognised as a right. And the world did not end. It didn't end when there was no free press, it didn't end when there was no right to vote, it didn't end when some people were designated sub-human, denied even the right to life, and systematically murdered en masse. Why the fuck would it end over net neutrality? Do you seriously have no fucking comprehension of how insane that sounds? What the fuck is going on in your head for you to think that telecomms regulation, of all fucking things, is the most important issue ever?