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Tracian Empire
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:34 pm

Yurizlansia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Just watch one video about Hungarian.

It's uglier and more complicated than any other Balkan language, and of course, it's unique in the region from the point of view of its origin.

Alright that tears it.

The Roman Empire has been annexed by Hungary

Hey, I'm Romanian.

I have a +1918 resistance against any actions done by Hungary :P
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Postby Axis Asteroid » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:35 pm

Yurizlansia wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Just watch one video about Hungarian.

It's uglier and more complicated than any other Balkan language, and of course, it's unique in the region from the point of view of its origin.

Alright that tears it.

The Roman Empire has been annexed by Hungary


>You can cry
>You can scream
>Magyars can dream

;)
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Axis Asteroid wrote:
Yurizlansia wrote:Alright that tears it.

The Roman Empire has been annexed by Hungary


>You can cry
>You can scream
>Magyars can dream

;)

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Tracian Empire wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:*looks at a language comparison*

Written Hungarian looks like a mess even when compared to Romanian which looks like spanish french.
Spoken my german ears will not notice major difference. They just sort it into Balkan banter.

Just watch one video about Hungarian.

It's uglier and more complicated than any other Balkan language, and of course, it's unique in the region from the point of view of its origin.

I just did and that was the result lol.
Though the language samples were rather hard to compare.
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Postby The Traansval » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:49 pm

Romanians: we wuz Romanz and shit

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Postby Axis Asteroid » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:54 pm

The Traansval wrote:Romanians: we wuz Romanz and shit


*n shieeeet

Fixed. :p

Romanian is technically a Latin language though and there is evidence modern Romanians are descendants of Roman settlers in Dacia etc.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:58 pm

Axis Asteroid wrote:
The Traansval wrote:Romanians: we wuz Romanz and shit


*n shieeeet

Fixed. :p

Romanian is technically a Latin language though and there is evidence modern Romanians are descendants of Roman settlers in Dacia etc.

No modern historians deny the Latin origins of the Romanians anymore. Of course, we assimilate a ton of Slavs and Avars and Cumans on the way, but our langauge and culture and origins are all Roman.

The question is whether our origins lie in Moesia or in Dacia, but the only ones supporting the South Danubian theory are the Hungarians.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:00 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Axis Asteroid wrote:
*n shieeeet

Fixed. :p

Romanian is technically a Latin language though and there is evidence modern Romanians are descendants of Roman settlers in Dacia etc.

No modern historians deny the Latin origins of the Romanians anymore. Of course, we assimilate a ton of Slavs and Avars and Cumans on the way, but our langauge and culture and origins are all Roman.

The question is whether our origins lie in Moesia or in Dacia, but the only ones supporting the South Danubian theory are the Hungarians.

Bet the Russians and Bulgarians do it too.
And prolly also the Turks.


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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:03 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:No modern historians deny the Latin origins of the Romanians anymore. Of course, we assimilate a ton of Slavs and Avars and Cumans on the way, but our langauge and culture and origins are all Roman.

The question is whether our origins lie in Moesia or in Dacia, but the only ones supporting the South Danubian theory are the Hungarians.

Bet the Russians and Bulgarians do it too.
And prolly also the Turks.


You know what enrages me? Hetalia Bulgaria and Romania being good friends. :evil:

Nah, they don't. The Russians have their own weird theories regarding Moldova, but most of those make no sense and are strictly related to the idea of the existence of the Moldavians a different people. The Bulgarians never denied our Latinity, our past tensions are over Dobrogea.

And the Turks never denied our Latinity.
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Postby Axis Asteroid » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:05 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Axis Asteroid wrote:
*n shieeeet

Fixed. :p

Romanian is technically a Latin language though and there is evidence modern Romanians are descendants of Roman settlers in Dacia etc.

No modern historians deny the Latin origins of the Romanians anymore. Of course, we assimilate a ton of Slavs and Avars and Cumans on the way, but our langauge and culture and origins are all Roman.

The question is whether our origins lie in Moesia or in Dacia, but the only ones supporting the South Danubian theory are the Hungarians.


No disagreement here. I haven't done much reading into the specific geography though. Always assumed Dacia b/c of Bulgar migration into Moesia.

Just jumped in because of the meme. ;)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:08 pm

Axis Asteroid wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:No modern historians deny the Latin origins of the Romanians anymore. Of course, we assimilate a ton of Slavs and Avars and Cumans on the way, but our langauge and culture and origins are all Roman.

The question is whether our origins lie in Moesia or in Dacia, but the only ones supporting the South Danubian theory are the Hungarians.


No disagreement here. I haven't done much reading into the specific geography though. Always assumed Dacia b/c of Bulgar migration into Moesia.

Just jumped in because of the meme. ;)

There literally is no evidence to support the Moesian theory. Hungarians mostly focus on trying to prove that the Daco-Romanians couldn't have survived in Dacia, while bringing no proof as to how they would have developed in Moesia, only to then move North, not only to Wallachia but also to Transylvania, for some reason. While the Hungarian chronicles that detail their conquests clearly mention the presence of the Romanians in the region.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:18 pm

Axis Asteroid wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:You should also keep in mind that real English should form somewhere on your island in order to avoid any paradoxes when it comes to the United States.


Even if the Anglo-Saxons escaped to form colonies in the New World though, the lack of a Norman invasion to transition late Old English into early Middle English via French blending/influencing the language would still result in a paradox.

Somehow, a segment of the Frankish population need to develop into French speakers and they would need to live together with the Anglo-Saxon population like what The Greater Dutch Imperium said to facilitate the rise of modern English in the USA.

The details would still need to be hashed out of course, but as long as those conditions are met, the paradoxes involving the USA and Canada should be for the most part solved imo.


I repeat: the single most influential thing that shifted Old English to Middle English was Norse influence, not French or Norman. Norse. Old Norse. It simplified the grammar system and is still a blatantly and overwhelmingly Germanic language when Middle English appears in its first texts, and from Early Middle to Late Middle undergoes a transition that can be attributed to internal, rather than external, causes. The big shift is from Middle to Early Modern, where a significant amount of Latin vocabulary has come to displace local Germanic vocabulary and the Great Vowel shift occurs, but were New World colonists to find one another, it would be easily explainable that the Middle-English-speaking colonists took on influence from their fellow colonists to engage said shift and form modern English.

Also, the Romanization of the Gauls had been complete before the Frankish invasion, and the development of a distinct Gallo-Roman vernacular that became French occurred under Frankish rule while the emperors and kings still spoke Germanic tongues. The development into French under a heavily Germanic regime isn't even alternate history.

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Postby Yurizlansia » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:49 pm

Full Nation Name : Empire of Hungary (Magyar Birodalom, Imperium Hungariae)
Majority/Official Culture : Magyar
Territorial Core : Hungary, Slovakia, Transylvania, and Wallachia
Territorial Claim : All of Serbia, Czech Republic, Silesia, Galicia (parts of Ukraine), Bosnia and Herzegovina, and other Slavic majority areas (ESPECIALLY Croatia). Some warhawks also call for the conquest of Austria
Capital City : Budapest, Hungary
Population : 25,000,000 (If there are any disputes regarding this, let me know as this is an approximation.

Government Type : Constitutional Monarchy where the Emperor has considerable power. The Diet is allowed to allocate spending, can turn down laws proposed by the Emperor, and makes most of the day to day decisions. The Emperor is in charge of the military, can guide the Diet, can choose his Ministers, and is overall very influential in the “big picture” of the Empire.
Government Ideology/Policies : Ever since the proclamation of the Hungarian Empire, and the crowning of the Lukács dynasty, a focus on martial education had begun. The Lukács were military commanders, and as such an emphasis on martial education, tradition, and professionalism has been stressed. The Hungarian Empire also believes that expansionism and imperialism is an ideal way to achieve her place under the sun.
Government Focus : It is natural that an Empire would focus on imperialism, especially ina time before liberal hogwash such as “human rights”, and “respecting other nation’s sovereignty” were popular. While the territorial claims of the Hungarian Empire are substantial, it is imperative the Hungarian Emperors consolidate its powers, before it runs into the risk of dissolving when it should be reaching its apex. Speaking of this, a major internal goal of the government is to develop non-Hungarian provinces, and rein in the power of some of the foreign nobles that wish to have more freedom then they do. So in reality a combination of economic, expansionist, and legitimizing goals will be the focus of the Empire.
Head of State : Emperor Gejza Lukács
Head of Government : Vlad Hunyad
Government Description : The Hungarian Monarchy is a Constitutional Monarchy where the Emperor has considerable power. As stated earlier, the Diet can allocate funds for spending, vote on certain treaties, and make most of the day to day decisions. The emperor on the other hand commands the armed forces, has considerable influence on the Diet, and can appoint Ministers that can only be impeached by the Diet if the Minister commits a crime.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : Papa bless

Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism, physiocracy, and many state-owned industries.
Major Production : Agricultural products, copper, iron, silver, and wood.
Economic Description : It is imperative for a nation as large and diverse as the Hungarian Empire to have a large and diverse economy. However, many physiocrats within the Hungarian administration are insistent that agricultural and natural resources are given a major priority. However, at the same time, there are more abstract economists in the Empire that insist on trade between nations as being the most viable way for achieving economic prosperity. Nonetheless, all of the major natural resource companies are owned by the company so they can provide war materiel if necessary, and the smaller companies can be nationalized. Much of the agricultural sector is decentralized, focusing on individuals rather than barons controlling a large amount of land as would be seen in a feudal system.


Tech Group : European
Army Description : The main branch of the army is the Imperial Army. It is divided into 3 field armies, all of which add up to around 250,000. This is the main part of the Hungarian Army. These field armies are divided into 8 corps, all of which are commanded by generals chosen for their merit. By contrast, the field armies themselves have their commanders chosen more out of political interest than anything else. The Corps are made up of several divisions, and those divisions are made up of regiments. The army is fairly dependent on cavalry compared to other nations. This comes from the Hungarian cavalry traditions, which is said to be descended from the mongols.

The cavalry, which is the aristocratic wing of the army, is mainly commanded by members of the royal family. These cavalrymen are trying to adapt to modern times, but many commanders are unwilling to go beyond mass cavalry charges in order to preserve national prestige and tradition. Nonetheless, the cavalry is also very experienced, due to them being used against the quelling of the sporadic rebellions that come about in the Empire. Despite the cavalry being leaned on by the army is used by most younger commanders for reconnaissance, logistics support and hindering, and the pursuing of defeated enemy formations.

The infantry, though neglected, is considered by many of the younger professionals to be the pride of the Hungarian army (much to the chagrin of the nobles and aristocrats). They are well trained and drilled, and are used in most day to day operations of the army. Most of the infantry commanders are appointed due to their skill, unlike the cavalry. The infantry is considered to be for the lower classes in Hungary despite the fact that they, in recent field exercises, outperformed cavalry. The infantry has also been trained for mountain warfare due to the Carpathians, and as such, they are being considered an elite unit more and more. The most prestigious infantry group are the “guards”, and are the exception to the rule. Unlike the other parts of the infantry, they still march in Napoleonic fashion, with nobility as their generals, and total refusal to modernize.

The artillery, with the infantry are the rising stars in the Hungarian military. The artillery is entirely ignored by the aristocrats, who deem it a child’s plaything, and because of this, the artillery formations still have not caught up to the other powers due to its neglect, but slowly it is beginning to recover. This part of the military is entirely untouched by nepotism, so most of the officers are competent, and constantly learning new ways to conduct war with artillery.


Finally, we have the Honvéd, the militia of the kingdom. These are the men who are in charge of border security, make up the majority of the reserved for the nation, and will only be called into war in the most dire of circumstances. They are poorly trained, led, and equipped, and many consider them good for only cannon fodder.
Army Weakness :
- Multi-ethnic army. This is a large problem, as if there was a prolonged war, the need to throw reserved into the army could lead to language conflicts. It also causes desertion to occur more often that in other armies.
- Inadequate Reserves: If an army group were to lose a large part of its manpower, the reserved it would be forced to use may not be able to perform as well as people would like.
- Over-reliance on cavalry: While the army is not totally reliant on cavalry, the amount of cavalry in the military is still a bit much. This an age where cavalry is beginning to lose its relevance beyond smaller scale operations, and an over-reliance on cavalry can also lead to logistic problems.
- Aristocracy: This is mainly a problem in the cavalry, but elements of the army are negatively affected by nepotism, and this arrogance also leads to animosity among foreign regiments.
Naval Description : There is no illusion of naval supremacy within the borders of the Hungarian Empire. The navy is small and almost exclusively used for coast protection, and trade. There is not much support for the navy in the Diet, but it may be necessary for that to change.
Naval Weakness : Almost no funding outside of commercial and coastal defense. Pretty much, it sucks.
Further Military Description : [[OPTIONAL]]

National Goals : To become a first rate power, get some colonies, and make the world look up to or fear the Hungarian Empire.
National Issues : Nobles, especially those in Wallachia, and Transylvania who believe they are entitled to have rights! (What’s the deal with that?) Seriously, the foreign nobles who resent Hungarian dominance of the states, lack of economic development in certain areas, and corruption are the main obstacles to Hungary earning her place under the sun.
National Figures of Interest : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
National Ambition/Aspirations : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]
Rival: Most likely Western Roman Empire due to the territorial aspirations in the Balkans.

History : It all began in 1526. Instead of listening to the War Council like most would, the general of the Hungarian army, Louis decided to simply retreat, giving some territory away while awaiting reinforcements from Transylvanian and Wallachian forces. Eventually the battle took place on uneven and marshy terrain, allowing the Hungarians to win the day, and using the cavalry to smash the retreating Ottomans, and even capture an Ottoman Pasha. The Ottomans were forced to flee, and were unable to threaten Hungary for some time afterward.
In the meantime, a marriage was made between the Hungarian prince, and the Wallachian princess. A similar arrangement was made with Transylvania. Through luck and happenstance, a personal union among the three kingdoms was formed, and it was solidified later with the Edict of 1625. Extensive fortification on the border with the Ottoman so that a further invasion could be repulsed in the future.

In 1740, a loan was given to the Slovakian King, with the promise that it would be repaid within 10 years. 10 years went by, and the Slovakian king wrote a letter that stated that they would not only refuse to repay the loan, but also insulted the Hungarian King. Immediately, war was declared, and Hungarian troops defeated the Slovakian King in several battles, and the Slovakian Kingdom was annexed. The day after the Treaty of Vienna was signed, which allowed Hungary to annex Slovakia, the Hungarian Empire was proclaimed, binding Slovakia, Hungary, Transylvania, and Wallachia under one crown.

Due to the success of the regular armed forces over Slovakia, a focus on military became characteristic of the Hungarian crown. In 1800, the Hungarian coal, iron, copper, and steel company was founded in order to ensure the safety of the industries. In 1848, prompted by liberal revolutions, including one that threatened to occupy Budapest, the Diet was formed, and although the Emperor still had considerable power, it was put in check by the Diet.
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Nation Name: The Incan Empire
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La Confederacion Unida de España, Portugal, y Aragon (The United Confederation of Spain, Portugal, and Aragon)



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Majority/Official Culture : Spanish/Hispanophone dominant, Portuguese and Catalonian Accepted.
Territorial Core: Mainland Iberia, Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Coastal Angola, Azores, Bermuda, Madeira, St. Helena, Falklands (Maldivas), Sandwich, Ascencion and Tristan de Cuhna Islands.
Territorial Claim: Balearic Islands, Cape Verde Islands, Canary Islands, Inner Angola, Zambia, Nambia, Botswana, Malawi, Mozambique, Perpignan
Capital City: Madrid
Population: 29,576,000

Government Type: Limited Representative Democracy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, Militant, Pluralist.
Government Focus: International legitimacy, Economic and Military Security.
Head of State: Visorrey (Viceroy) Jose Olivares
Head of Government: Visorrey (Viceroy) Jose Olivares
Government Description:
The government is divided into a Legislative and Executive branch. Although the courts are nominally under the control of the Executive branch, they largely beholden to the Legislative branch and to regional governments(more on this later). The Iberian government is federative, meaning its power is in fact given to it by the separate provinces or Reinos (realms) within its territory (excluding colonies and Uruguay). The legislative branch is known officially as Congreso Iberia, however is more commonly known as El Cortez. The Executive, which holds the title of Visorrey, acts as the head of the government and the state. In this manner, he acts to enforce the rule of law and act as the main figurehead of power both internally and externally. Although officially pluralistic, Catholocism has a very heavy grip on the culture of the entire penninsula and therefore influences the government informally through cultural norms. The government also tends to favor the church on several matters- however heavy handed secularist measures by the government are not uncommon.

With that in mind, the first and possibly most important branch of the government is the legislative branch- itself divided into the lower Cortes Generales and upper Cortes de los Reinos. The main distinction between the two, is their constituincies. The Cortes General (CG) has 122 seats, representing the general population through voting districts. The Cortes de los Reinos (CR) represents each realm within the confederation, with each realm granted a fixed amount of seats. The CR is the more relavant of the two, as the CR has the power to create fiscal policy/monetary policy, declare war, ratify or annul treaties, and approve and remove judges from power. The CG, although technically equal to the CR- is a less prestigious body and holds less power, with its main responsibilities being ratifying admistrative proposals by the CR and Viceroy as well as diplomatic matters. The CG's real onus is to keep the Executive in check. The CG can remove an acting Viceroy from power with a 3/4ths majority vote or call a new executive election with a 2/3rds majority vote (This however, must be done within the viceroys first year in office or else they can only remove the Viceroy and not simply call another election). Additionally, the CG can with the help of the CR overide any veto by the Viceroy with a 2/3 majority vote in the CG and a simple majority vote in the CR.

The Viceroy is the head of the state and the head of the government, and is generally elected as a member of a political faction. They (theoretically) enforce the rule of law within the nations borders and overseas posessions, and appoint advisors and heads of government to different government agencies to help leverage the nations admistrative bodies to best suit the nations goals at that time. The military also falls under the control of the Viceroy, who can use the military to his discretion during times of war. Despite the political prestige and recognition, Viceroys are fairly weak compared to other nations leaders. The Viceroy can appoint judges to appropriate federal jurisdictions, but can only do so with the approval of El Cortez de los Reinos. The nations Viceroy is the main representative of the nation on the world stage, and his diplomats and ambassadors are therefore his representatives (and by extension, the nations). Although any treaty drafted must be ratified by the Cortes, the Viceroy ultimately has the say in the terms of any treaty or foreign relationships. The viceroy, is not completely powerless before the Cortes, and perhaps its biggest advantage is the viceroys ability to call a national referendum on issues of (declaring) war, pushing through domestic reforms, and most importantly- nullifying the cortes resolutions.

The realms within the federation have a certain degree of autnonomy, and although they will ultimately have to bend to the interests of the federal government, every realm is laregly responsible for th day to to day admistrative tasks of the region. Every region has a regional Junta which deals with the regions admistrative tasks, and every realm has a regional Council to govern these regions. The councils take secondary place to the national government however, but these council also elect representatives to the CR, unlike the CG which is elected by voters on a regional basis.


Economic Ideologies : Capitalist with protectionist policies.
Major Production: Agricultural products, Cement, Iron and Steel goods, Machine Parts, Textiles.
Economic Description: The nation is an industrailizing state- with some Agricultural tendencies. Following the secularization of most educational insitutions- literacy skyrocketed and with it so did technological advancement. Railorads are increasingly common, with railways under construction which will connect Madrid to every major port city in mainland Iberia. Major industries include Agricultural industries (wineries, liquor distilleries, as well as farming itself), Steel and Cement heavy indsutries, and more complex machine parts factories. Textiles are a resurging industry, as exotic textiles are woven from meditteranean and colonial clothing items and along the Ebro River.

Although national roads and railroads are becoming more viable, the nations difficult geography continues to make travel failry difficult overland. Much of the nations internal commerce is hauled by sea by clipper tranpsorts from one port to another, and the nations colonial merchant fleet imports critical raw goods from overseas colonies on a frequent basis. Thus, the nation has developed ports and has competent and sizable merchant fleets. Seafood is also part of the nations national cuisine (Mariscos), lending to a large internal seafood market that is often exported to neighbouring countries border regions.

Tech Group : European Center

Army Description : The Army is organized into an active and reserved conscript force, with adtional overseas colonial units to keep the order and protect from foreign attack. The army has an active cadre of proffesionally trained military officers, however the army is largely formed of conscripts which are drawn from across the empire. Every realm is forced to give a quota of conscripts to keep the nations armed forces up, which can vary depending on the nations current military orthodoxy and needs.

As of January 1st, 1850 the nations land forces are at a total of 600,000, with 40,000 troops active in the overseas colonies and posessions with an additional 20,000 currently active in mainland Iberia. 600,000 (theoretical) additional troops are in reserve to be called if war should be on the horizon.

Army Weakness: Individuals regions within the empire may not be prepared to levy the troops requested to fight. This may be due to regional interests, political bickering, or plain apathy by the population. On paper, hundreds of thousands of troops can appear, but these troops are not guarenteed. Volunteers often join in good numbers at the onset of war, but are very green and lack military experience.

Naval Description: Due to the importance of the nations sea trade, the military has made it a point to keep a navy capable of defending its waters and sea routes. The Iberian Navy is sizable and is maintained at great cost to the country- out of a necessity rather than luxury. Although its naval tradition may not be quite as ancient as other nations, it is nonetheless experienced in naval combat and navigation (The Iberians being the first europeans to discover the carribean and South America). The Navy is kept by a purely proffesional force, abandoning impressment and using slaves as a methods of crewing ships. Sailors are paid well, and thus adding to the cost of the navy but in fact creating much higher quality crews. Politicians and the public opinion voice strong support for the navy, and is thus joining it is of high prestige for any Iberian. Volunteers are never wanting.

The nation has outpusts all throughout the atlantic, with developed naval installations in every colony throughout the region. This gives the nations navy an advantage, as ships far out from home port do not need to return to be repaired.

Naval Weakness: The nation has to conted for control of the atlantic with several rival powers- including the scandinavians, Americans, and Vandals. Additionally, the meditteranean is contested by several powers which need to be challenged to take control of. Piracy continues to be a problem requiring a devotion of a lot of the navies resources.
Further Military Description : N/A

National Goals: Aquisition of the nations cores, empire building.
National Issues: Improve the nations infastructure to facilitate further industrialization, settle the nations growing internal problems with ethnic conflict (Portuguese, Spanish, and Catalonians), create a solution to uruguays status within the union.
National Figures of Interest: N/A
National Ambition/Aspirations: N/A
Rival: The Vandals

History:
- 1500: Spain and Aragon unite into a single country (de facto) under the rule of the last trastamaras.
- 1504: Uruguay and La Plata is colonized by the Spanish, with the colonial capital Buenos Aires established.
- 1507: Last Trastamaras die, Habsburgs aquire spain with Felipe I becoming King of Spain and Aragon.
- 1515: Felipe I sends a Castillean, then Aragonese army to invade Basqueland.
- 1516: Basqueland is defeated, and Felipe I declares himself king of the Basques.
- 1517: After the defeat of the basques, Felipe I is declared legitimate ruler of Galicia, Castille, Aragon, and Basqueland. Felipe I with approval from the papacy, declares the Spanish Kingdom.
- 1525: Felipe I dies, Felipe II takes the throne. Felipe II consolodtates his control over the Iberian kingdoms, centralizing power.
- 1536: Portugal colonizes the Azores and goes on to colonize almost every minor island on the Atlantic.
- 1540: Catalonians revolt against Maadrid's rule. Rebellion iscrushed but Felipe II is forced to loosen his grip.
- 1555: Felipe II dies. Felipe III takes control of the Spanish Kingdom. Portugal's king dies without legitimate heir. Spain mobilizes to seize Portugal and prevent a threat on its western border.
- 1556: Portuguese reactionaries reject Spanish Monarchy, the Portuguese Secession war begins.
- 1557: The Spanish Navy defeats the Portuguese Navy decisively at the battle of Porto. Spanish take control of half of portugal and invade almost every Portuguese colony before any others can invade them.
- 1558: Portuguese defeated but seperatists continue war in the rural regions. Felipe III declares the Iberian Union, annexing Portugal as part of his country.
- 1570: Portuguese rebels and holdouts die out, Iberia is unified- Iberias golden age begins.
- 1600: Iberia creates colonial outposts in Angola.
- 1603: Felipe III begins campaigns of conquest against Angola before he dies. Alfonso I takes the reigns.
- 1610: Coastal Angola is conquered.
- 1621: Alfonso I declares the first Asimilación. Galician and Basque culture beginas to be eroded by Spanish and Catalonian Culture.
- 1625: Basqueland rebels against the program of assimilation. Alfonso I leads an army to crush the rebellion, but dies in battle. He had no children.
- 1626: Without an heir, the Spanish Sucession crisis begins, with various regional monarchic lines contesting control. Don Cortez of Sevilla, a powerful aristocrat from Seville proposes a new form of government. Most of the Aristocracy from the realms reject the proposal, however many of the "Enlightened" aristocrats and elites still support a new government system. This group comes to be called the Absolutists (Absolutistas).Following threat of intervention by foreign countries, the nation creates a national "Cortes" to decide on what to do. Absolutists declare the idea of a Republic, and win the support of many of the aristocracy.
- 1627: With a system of government acceptable to most of the aristocracy, The Iberian Confederation is declared. However, mainland portugal and Basqueland Succeed, declaring the system illegitamate. The Federation declares war on both nations and the Unification War Begins.
- 1628: Basqueland is defeated, and its countryside is looted and burned. Basqueland is absorbed, but the Basques themselves are decimated. The region would begin to assimmilate to Catalonian/Spanish culture from here on out.
- 1630: The portuguese, who are blockaded and repeatedly attacked by the Iberians, finally surrender. In Lisbon, the Iberian Confederation forces the Portuguese to accept the terms of the Confederation and its new system of government. However, the Portuguese are not fully accepted into the Confederation as a equal member.
- 1637: Don Cortez of Sevilla, becoming simply known as "Cortez" leads the new nation for 10 years establishing many of the nations political norms. He begins a movement of secularization, which is met with great resistance. After his second 5 year term, he abstained from another election.
- 1650: Secularization continues under sucessive Viceroys. The government, now largely stabilized- begins national plans of infastructure improvement. However, conservative movements reject the rapid pace of modernization and form a roadblock putting the brakes on extensive modernization.
- 1670: National roads are built throughout the country, connecting every major city in spain with the help of old roman roads. Trade begins to increase and the economy prospers. Realms under the control of a centralized government no longer internally create trade wars. Spanish Plata currency becomes widely accepted in spain.
- 1727: 100 year anniversery of the Iberian Confederation. Iberian Navy begins to be a significant rising force in the atlantic and develops designs for the western meditteranean. Iberian Army creates forts along the Iberian-Frankish Border- in an attempt to secure the nations territory.
- 1731: After decades of Basque discrimination, basqueland becomes largely assimimalated to Catalonian/ Hispanic Culture. However ethnic differences become maginified as two major culture groups must learn to live with each other.
- 1755: Iberian Army begins modernization. Proffesional tercio forces are abandoned in favor of larger conscript forces for protracted overland conflict.
- 1786: Guardia Civil is created from the regular army to guard the nations internal borders from crime and lawlessness.
- 1827: 200 year anniversary of the Iberian Confederation.

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Postby Heidi Girl of the Alps » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:59 pm

Ive added the Island of Bermuda and the Buenos Aires region to my current territory.

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Volar
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Postby Volar » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:10 pm

I would like to reserve Germany sans Austria if that is available. If not I would like to reserve the British Isle.

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Postby Elerian » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:13 pm

Heidi Girl of the Alps wrote:Ive added the Island of Bermuda and the Buenos Aires region to my current territory.


You could probably take more in Africa or S. America if you wanted. You are Spain/Portugal, a major colonizer.

Volar wrote:I would like to reserve Germany sans Austria if that is available. If not I would like to reserve the British Isle.


Unfortunately they have both already been taken. It might free up again in the near future, but for now you will have to look elsewhere.

Sorry the map isn't up to date with that information.

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Postby Rygondria » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:15 pm

I am wondering if the 100 years eat where to still occur in this time line, seeing as it is Nordics and Frank's would it still be over dynastic claims over the Frankish crown or would it be just a series of invasions into the mainland by yours truly.

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Postby Volar » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:17 pm

Elerian wrote:
Volar wrote:I would like to reserve Germany sans Austria if that is available. If not I would like to reserve the British Isle.


Unfortunately they have both already been taken. It might free up again in the near future, but for now you will have to look elsewhere.

Sorry the map isn't up to date with that information.

Darn. Is India open at least? If not I will probably have to take up an African nation.

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Postby Elerian » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:19 pm

Rygondria wrote:I am wondering if the 100 years eat where to still occur in this time line, seeing as it is Nordics and Frank's would it still be over dynastic claims over the Frankish crown or would it be just a series of invasions into the mainland by yours truly.


Probably not, but that's between you and Zelent to figure out.

Volar wrote:
Elerian wrote:


Unfortunately they have both already been taken. It might free up again in the near future, but for now you will have to look elsewhere.

Sorry the map isn't up to date with that information.

Darn. Is India open at least? If not I will probably have to take up an African nation.


Yeah, much of India is still open. Some of the southern bits have been snatched by Europeans, but its still surprisingly open.

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Postby Volar » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:24 pm

Elerian wrote:
Yeah, much of India is still open. Some of the southern bits have been snatched by Europeans, but its still surprisingly open.

I would like to reserve non-European India then.

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Postby Elerian » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:26 pm

Volar wrote:
Elerian wrote:
Yeah, much of India is still open. Some of the southern bits have been snatched by Europeans, but its still surprisingly open.

I would like to reserve non-European India then.


You probably can't have the whole thing, but there's a form to fill out in the OP for reservations.

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Postby Volar » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:38 pm

Reservation

Nation Name: Volar
Territory: https://ibb.co/herSjw
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*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

Was thinking either a Muslim or Sikh Indian state.

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Postby Elerian » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:42 pm

Volar wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Volar
Territory: https://ibb.co/herSjw
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

Was thinking either a Muslim or Sikh Indian state.


Looks good to me. A Sikh state sounds pretty cool.

Keep in mind though, that should you take the Muslim route you will have to come up with some alternate way for India to have been converted to Islam. This is because Muhammad's conquests were halted by the Romans in this timeline.

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