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by Vionna-Frankenlisch » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:27 pm
New Edom wrote:Unwerth laughed. “Such hen lobsters are the Vionnans. But then, every Vionnan is half a sodomite."
by Mesairien » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:47 pm
by Vionna-Frankenlisch » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:35 am
New Edom wrote:Unwerth laughed. “Such hen lobsters are the Vionnans. But then, every Vionnan is half a sodomite."
by Ludania » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:54 am
by Bruke » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:16 pm
by Bruke » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:53 pm
by Great Celestial China » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:39 pm
by MTO and BTO Admin » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:39 pm
Great Celestial China wrote:Application:
Nation NS name: Celestial China
Nation RP name: China
Type of Monarchy: Constitutional Monarchy
Ambassador: Ambassador Yin Hei
Best RP Sample(Link):[url=:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=432388]only started, but here's one I'm in[/url]
Will you obey the OP's rules, as well as be extra attentive waiting for his posts to advance the RP?: Yes, I'll try my best
Will you try your best to learn from the high quality roleplayers and improving your skill level in the roleplay?: Yes, I will
#App
by Great Celestial China » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:40 pm
MTO and BTO Admin wrote:Great Celestial China wrote:Application:
Nation NS name: Celestial China
Nation RP name: China
Type of Monarchy: Constitutional Monarchy
Ambassador: Ambassador Yin Hei
Best RP Sample(Link):[url=:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=432388]only started, but here's one I'm in[/url]
Will you obey the OP's rules, as well as be extra attentive waiting for his posts to advance the RP?: Yes, I'll try my best
Will you try your best to learn from the high quality roleplayers and improving your skill level in the roleplay?: Yes, I will
#App
Accepted!
by Great Celestial China » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:51 am
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Great Celestial China wrote:Application:
Nation NS name: Celestial China
Nation RP name: China
Type of Monarchy: Constitutional Monarchy
Ambassador: Ambassador Yin Hei
Best RP Sample(Link):only started, but here's one I'm in
Will you obey the OP's rules, as well as be extra attentive waiting for his posts to advance the RP?: Yes, I'll try my best
Will you try your best to learn from the high quality roleplayers and improving your skill level in the roleplay?: Yes, I will
#App
Post in the IC then I will.
by Kyrenaia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:59 pm
by Kyrenaia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:01 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Kyrenaia wrote:Good evening,
well, I am no member of the MTO, but I am contemplating joining, so I would like to send two observers to this event. Here's the app:
Application:
Nation NS name:The Sultanate of Kyrenaia.
Nation RP name:The Sultanate of Kyrenaia.
Type of Monarchy:Absolute.
Ambassadors/Observers:Hassan ben Sahid, Vizier and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Best RP Sample(Link):
Fara bint-Dardan, Princess of the Ilkhanate of Megido.
Will you obey the OP's rules, as well as be extra attentive waiting for his posts to advance the RP?:Yes.
Will you try your best to learn from the high quality roleplayers and improving your skill level in the roleplay?:Yes.
#App
Sure you can join, you posted in the mic thread not the mto one but eh close enough.
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by Common Territories » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:33 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Shazbotdom wrote:So wait, if one is a monarchy and wants to join this they have to apply to join your alliance? That seems rather pathetic to me. What if one wants to discuss problems facing monarchies, but does not want to join your alliance? Are they not allowed to come to this conference? If not, then seriously my nation would rather join another monarchist Alliance then even think about joining yours.
No need to apply to the alliance.
All monarchies are welcome as observers and to cooperate with the alliance as the alliance is pragmatic and focused on cooperation even with members outside the alliance. However a major focus is on the MTO, but that is optional to attend if they desire not to join it. Rather, we aim to create a treaty between all monarchies within and without the alliance to cooperate against threats to monarchy. The MTO is the willing guardian of the congress, due it being stationed in Berlin, however friendliness to the MTO is not required as long as they do not interfere during the finalization of the MTO's constitution, parliament, elections, et cetera or work to undermine it. Any monarchy can join, this is just sponsored by the MTO, but again I should stress, no need to think loyalty needs to be sworn to the MTO. Though I admit it is a major focus, no one has to attend the stuff related to the MTO or approve of it.
by Allanea » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:52 pm
by Common Territories » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:15 am
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Common Territories wrote:If you really meant that you'd make it so this congress didn't center around MTO. If this wasn't just about your alliance it wouldn't be dominated by your elections, it wouldn't focus around "'Core' MTO members, and the 'Monarchist Unity Organization'(MUO) members", and it would be neutral to ALL monarchies. There will never be some "Pan-Monarchist Organization" as long as you keep trying to put MTO at the head of it.
It's not the head, it's simply the current guardian due to no other organizations willing to help it exist. The Imperion Coalition and MTO are by your words rivals, and as such, cannot be trusted to not discriminate against MTO members. Plus it is more ideologically motivated, which can lead to isolation and bitter conflict with ideological rivals. The MTO to an extent still that issue, but it is more focused on being pragmatic and sustaining monarchist influence and it's member's survival, even at the cost of cooperation with other ideologies. I'm not saying your alliance is not willing to do that, but the MTO is by design created to be a much more open organization, that can also teach newer members. As well, we are non-partisan in who we accept. The only reason I refused Rueskland-Preuben was because he seemed more a socialist state with a monarch being a monarch in name only, secondly there's no such thing as perfected socialism.
If he is willing to address those errors, which I admit I should have explained earlier but was distracted, I am willing to let him in the MTO.
I am hosting it in Berlin because I had planned this for a long time, with or without the MTO. However your members are welcome to attend and not be discriminated against and even promote your organization. However, I do not see that happening due to ooc hostility and ic rivalry, which I respectfully ask you to not get into to not bring drama and conflict into the thread that is unneeded. But, if it was to occur, I'd be pleasantly surprised-And be willing to add in a couple extra days for you after the first 12(To not mess up the schedule), and ban open hostility to the Imperion Coalition. However I'd expect the same courtesy, however criticism designed to improve the organization is welcome. I.E. The limits of power the Prime Minister should have without him being a figurehead, I do believe they should have limited power-but still enough to do important stuff.
by Allanea » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:20 am
by Vionna-Frankenlisch » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:01 am
New Edom wrote:Unwerth laughed. “Such hen lobsters are the Vionnans. But then, every Vionnan is half a sodomite."
by Common Territories » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:58 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Allanea wrote:Criticism, too, can be expressed in a hostile or a non-hostile way. I can't help but note you sound somewhat hostile.
It's true - I've stated this before - that the OP could be reworded by making the Congress sound like less of an MTO front. I understand the desire to use the Congress to promote one's own organization, but in fact it would be better at promoting our organizations (both yours and mine) if the endorsement of one given group was less subtle.
Yes I agree and the only reason it focused on the MTO so much was the hostility with Imperion.
I'll go further to say that yes Imperion is open but by design the MTO is designed as a much larger organization. I never stated Imperion was not open. If you were willing to be friendly-which at the time it seemed you weren't-I'd have worded it differently and put less restrictions. Also I did commit some errors writing this. Idk why I added you must join the MTO. I must had spaced out and not been focusing so I am sorry for that mistake. I never stated it wasn't open however after skimming it I decided it was a more tightly knit alliance that may not be appealing to a wider alliance. Attractiveness is irrelevant-I would ask-not beg, though caveats must be worked out for alluring members-anyone I see as beneficial who may also benefit to join. The MTO isn't completely focused on numbers though I've aligned it with helping newbies. Numbers are okay and we intend to keep up recruitment but we will do our best to make every member matter. And no the roster isn't my main focus-not by a long shot-I'm simply building up a stable foundation of experienced rpers and newbies to give us the reputation of a stable, functioning organization that is active. It will keep up activity and belief that the alliance is active, and worth coming to for help. Activity and a respectable roster ensures an alliance is not overlooked or forgotten. I also.plan a slew of reforms and expansions to expand on the concept of the alliance such as a joint military force and as you have, a treasury, etc.(I won't list all the reforms here. I've long intended to carry these out.) Yes we intend to be larger but that is to ensure Monarchies stand with each other as much as possible. And we are ideological to an extent and focus more on geopolitics-say instead of supporting monarchies exclusively in conflicts we instead support those who'll align with the MTO, sowing discord upon our enemies and making non monarchies more respectful and loyal to us. Supporting our Monarchies's geopolitical goals is also a big factor.
This is a more pragmatism driven approach that I believe will strengthen Monarchist influence in non monarchies. As such it is also a strategic move. Whether it'll work out remains to be seen. And I'm not viewing ideology as not to be uttered I'm simply saying the MTO remains pragmatic and non partisan. The Imperion Coalition seems focused on as you said empires and imperialists. We accept any Monarchy where the Monarch holds more power than a puppet. You're not being called not true monarchies by any stretch you are vastly exaggerating to the point of falsehood. Imperialists are welcome and we support them, they aren't just exclusively focused on.
And you seem like you won't cooperate with the MTO at all.
As such, my offer remains but it is up to you to take it.
But the question and reason why the MIC is the way it is is will you? Though if you were willing to I'd be very happy and wouldn't mind at all. Seriously just say the word and be let in.
Oh I should explain condemnations of the mto are okay once the constitution is finished. I meant just randomly condemning in the middle of the talks is a no no as that's just trying to be difficult.
Vionna, that's up to you man. Im not gonna sit here and say not to partake if you want to, but I don't believe in this institution of being representative of true monarchism/imperialism. I can say for certain there are biases towards MTO and against Imperion here, so I'd suggest Imperion members not take part. But like I said, im not going to try and control you on something like this. If you want to take part in whatever way you wish to, go for it. If not, that's fine too.Vionna-Frankenlisch wrote:Wow. I have no idea why it took me so long to notice this shitshow but blimey, things have really gone above and beyond the call here. Personally, I don't really want to get involved here, both organisations have their pros and cons but of course, I swing more towards Imperion (naturally, as a member). I'm perfectly happy to withdraw my representatives if TECT thinks it best, after all, we wouldn't want any hostility, would we?
by Common Territories » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:20 pm
by Common Territories » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:49 pm
by Allanea » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:15 pm
Common Territories wrote:If the only way to interact with you is to kiss-up to you and kowtow to your sensitivity, consider me banned. I don't bend over to anyone, especially to someone like you. Consider this my last attempt to ever help or interact with you again - and of course making yourself the enemy to Imperion and SACTO. I'd say good luck with everything, but I in all honesty do not care anymore
by MTO and BTO Admin » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:43 pm
by Bruke » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:17 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Bruke, can you remove that purely ooc post from the ic?
Also since NS has a basically multiverse of a planet, I figured referencing them was possible and the easiest way to give examples.
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